Tuesday, December 6, 2011 - 12:12 PM

In the winter of 2009, standing on the mud wall of a border outpost manned by our partnered Afghan Border Police, I was chatting with Commander Aziz, a well-known local police chief commander. Aziz pointed east to the locations of Taliban training camps on a mountain just inside Pakistan, and to their usual infiltration routes around the dusty bordertown of Angor Adda. Suddenly, the high-pitched whoosh of rockets launching screamed across the valley from the direction of Pakistan to our left front towards our main coalition base to our rear. "Incoming!" one of my operators yelled as we dove under the nearest vehicles in a flash. I was only visiting, but they knew that typically the rocket attacks on the coalition base were accompanied by mortar fire on the Afghan border posts. As we dusted ourselves off, and my Air Force combat controller jumped on the radio to call for one of the aircraft continually circling over Afghanistan, I looked off in the distance towards the Pakistani military border post known as Post 41. The white trails of smoke from the rocket launches were coming from the base of the outpost on a small hill several kilometers in the distance. I noticed the launch site for the rockets was within spitting distance of the Pakistani post. The Border Police had established ambushes the night before on several of the typical launch sites, but the Taliban had learned to set up their sites very near Pakistani border positions, as the Afghans wouldn't come near them for fear of being attacked by the Pakistanis.
Just days before, we had met with the Pakistani military area commander for the string of army and Frontier Corps border posts that dotted that area of south-eastern Pakistan. We had confronted him about the almost daily shelling of our bases that was originating from Pakistan (which had wounded several of my men), regular reports of the insurgents using some of his bases for resupply, and the artillery duels his posts were regularly having with the Afghan border outposts. Over dozens of cups of tea, the Pakistani commander, who had traveled several hours from his headquarters in Wana, the main town in South Waziristan, in his perfectly pressed khaki uniform, assured us that our reporting must be faulty and that his men were only authorized to return fire in response to Afghan fire. The meeting, typical of these border sit-downs between the two neighbors, degenerated into Pakistani and Afghan nearly coming to blows, with my teamleader playing referee in the middle. The Pakistanis made a number of commitments to conduct coordinated patrols, information exchanges and more regular meetings, none of which were fulfilled.
In the midst of the attack on this particular day, one of my men back at our coalition base got on the hotline we had established with the Pakistanis to ask them to engage the insurgents launching the rockets, or to at least to send out a patrol. After half an hour of calling, a Pakistani soldier finally picked up the phone and informed us that the post commander was not present, and that no one else could authorize a patrol or firing of their heavy weapons except in self-defense.
Back at the Afghan post, I could hear a series of dull thuds emanating from our main base in the distance as the rockets exploded all around it. One of my officers and I were on the radio arguing with multiple higher headquarters stations for authorization to return fire on the insurgents launching the rockets with the artillery platoon station at our main base. One headquarters, hundreds of miles away, indicated that their satellite imagery showed the rockets were launching too close to some civilian homes, and that if we returned fire there was too high a likelihood of civilian casualties. We could clearly see that the "homes" were old sheep pens. The next higher headquarters was concerned the artillery fire could hit too close to the Pakistani post. Any fire sent into Pakistan must be cleared by the regional command, even when U.S. troops are engaged in exchanges of fire within surgents.
While the artillery units were writing their hands, another Taliban rocket salvo launched, and I authorized the Air Force fighter overhead to bomb the launch site as well as the men running from the site towards the mountains where Commander Aziz had earlier pointed out the training camps. As a ground element under fire, I could authorize the airstrike without higher approval as part of our inherent right of self-defense (a deliberate air attack however, would have been heavily scrutinized by staffplanners and lawyers). The pilot also expressed concern about bombing so close to the Pakistani outpost and about targeting men running without weapons, until I assured him that as the ground force commander I took full responsibility for the consequences. With his cockpit tape recorder running, he asked me to repeat the command twice. The bombs killed at least four of the escaping insurgents and destroyed additional rockets as they sat on their launchers, ready to fire.We subsequently patrolled to the site of the launches near Pakistani Post 41. As we maneuvered, the Afghans intercepted communications in Urdu-accented Pashto, informing the Taliban of our movements and instructing them on where to set up an ambush. Since Post 41 was the only thing within range of the Afghan's frequency scanners, the instructions to the Taliban were almost certainly coming from the Pakistani military. Commander Aziz and his men were more nervous about the Pakistanis firing on us with their heavy weapons than he was about an ambush. No attack occurred that day, but months later one of my men would lose his foot due to a booby-trapped mine laid at the site. For our efforts that particular day, my officers and I were were investigated as to whether we had proper approvals to order the airstrike, and because the Pakistani military complained we wounded one of their soldiers.
I relay this incident in light of the recent diplomatic crisis between Pakistan and the United States over the strikes against two Pakistani border encampments last month, because it is indicative of similar exchanges occurring up and down the Afghan-Pakistani border on an almost daily basis. Indeed, it is important to understand that incidents such as the exchange in Mohmand are not isolated occurrences, though only the most serious make headlines. Second, as our policy community is finally coming to fully realize, Pakistani forces are not only turning a blind eye, but actively aiding and abetting the insurgency in attacks on not only the Afghans but U.S. and coalition forces as well. That said, it's equally important to realize the painstaking, almost paralyzing, lengths to which the coalition goes to attempt to coordinate with the Pakistani Army and to avoid accidental attacks on their posts.
In the wake of the Mohmand airstrikes, a senior Pakistani officer accused NATO forces of deliberately targeting the Pakistani outpost. In my experience commanding U.S. Army Special Forces units spread across four provinces on the Pakistani border, this is simply ludicrous. Airstrikes and artillery in the border region come under enormous scrutiny, and are often only approved at the highest levels in-theater. In fact, one of our most significant frustrations was that getting approval for strikes over the border or anywhere within a kilometer of a Pakistani border post took too long or was often not approved at all.
More likely, as some U.S. officials have described, a joint coalition patrol was fired upon by insurgents at night, if not by the Pakistanis themselves, and in a case of mistaken identity, the coalition commander called an air strike on nearby Pakistani outposts. Rather than questioning the coalition procedures, we should be questioning why the Taliban are so confident in their own safety in proximity to the Pakistani military. The answer is obvious, and I applaud the Obama administration for expressing condolences but refusing to apologize. We have spent 10 years delivering billions of dollars of "carrots" to encourage the Pakistani Army to shift its strategic calculus away from using extremism as a foreign policy tool, and this latest crisis may show that it's time for a change.
Given the widespread view in the region that the United States is not serious about a long-term commitment to Afghanistan, Pakistani support for Afghan insurgents is understandable, but not excusable. President Barack Obama has clearly set the course for a minimalist presence in Afghanistan, and it's time to move our Pakistan policy towards using bigger sticks in order to fracture the insurgency's leadership and undermine theirsanctuary while we still have significant forces in Afghanistan. We must seriously put cross-border strikes by U.S. forces on Haqqani and Taliban leadership on the table and continue to shift our supplies to the Northern Distribution Network and other routes, reducing our reliance on Pakistani supply routes. To the extent that we continue providing significant security assistance to the Pakistani army it should be prioritized away from traditional Foreign Military Sales and towards the Pakistan Counterinsurgency Capability Fund, which only allows the Pakistani military to purchase counterinsurgency-related equipment. There are significant risks to this approach to be sure -- risks so bleak that heretofore in the face of every incident with Pakistan, U.S.policymakers have defaulted back to trying a different set of incentives. Ten years later, our gains and sacrifices in Afghanistan are what's truly at risk. Our soldiers making the ultimate sacrifice in Afghanistan and our national interests deserve a change in the U.S.-Pakistan dynamic.
Michael Waltz formerly served as a senior advisor for counterterrorism to Vice President Richard Cheney, and still serves as a U.S. Army Special Forces officer in the reserve component. He is currently Vice President for Strategy at Metis Solutions, LLC, and a National Security Fellow at the New America Foundation.
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The Frontier Corp is made up of Pashtuns. As senior adviser for counter terrorism to Dick Cheney one would think Mr. Waltz would know that. It is unlikely that communications from the Frontier Corp would be in Urdu-accented Pushto.
This makes me laugh. " Urdu accented Pushto'. Only an american ignoramus can think of this.I could understand if it were ' Pushto-accented Urdu'. This tells you about the knowledge of this officer about the ground reality in Afghanistan.
The story does not make clear if Post 41 was Pak Army or the Frontier Corps. If it was Pak Army it is perfectly reasonable to expect Urdu accented Pushto. If it was Frontier Corps, it is still perfectly reasonable to expect Urdu accented Pushto since the Pak Army provides the officers for the Frontier Corps and most Pak Army officers are not Pashtuns.
what a Punjabi knows about Pashto??????
I have lived and studied both in Afghanistan and Pakistan and I know all accents of Pashto, urdu and some Punjabi as well. The pashto spoken in Khyper Pakhtunkhwa is very differnt from Afghan Pashto in its prounciation and contains a vast amount of Urdu vocabulary. SO THE AUTHOR IS VERY RIGHT WHEN HE SAYS THAT AFGHAN OFFICIALS INTERCEPTED COMMMANDS IN URDU ACCENTED PASHTO WHICH IS TYPICAL OF PASHTOONS IN KHYBER PAKHTOONKHWA....It makes me laugh when a punjabi and a kashmiri is trying to make blind comments about accents of Pashto who cant read , write or speak a word of it!!!!!!
Secondly, there is a mount everest of evidence in favour of what the author has written.Even a child in Afghanistan knows this fact.The reality is that Pakistanis tend to behave like ruthless robbers who loot in the broad day light and deny having done anything wrong!!!! They try to prove that the entire world from East to West is wrong and they, being the very sacred goats of god, are always on the right path which is the exteme example of lie, hypocrisy and duel-facedness in the history of mankind. Unfortunately, this constitutues Pakistani social and institutional morality and makes it impossible for any nation to befriend Pakistan. The bottom line is that the entire world is not wrong and Pakistan is not right. Its time that Pakistanis face the reality and start speaking truth, once for ever. THe world seems to have fed up with constant lies of Pakistan and its time to send Pakistan a clear message. STOP LIEING AND CHEATING OVER THE THE COMITY OF NATIONS OR FACE THE CONSEQUENCES.THERE IS NO OTHER SOLUTION FOR PAKISTAN.THE SOONER THE WORLD REALISE THIS, THE BETTER IT IS.WE MUST UNDERSTAND THAT THIS PAKISTANI NAZISM IS FAR DANGEROUS THEN THE GERMAN NAZISM OF TWENTIETH CENTURY.Its the same idealogy, albeit shrouded in Islamic radicalism and equipped with nuclear arsenal , which makes it even more catastrophic. Obama needs to wake up or it might be toooooooooooooooo late!!!
Misunderstandings b/w Afghanistan - Pakistan
All the comments written are one sided stories and will never reach a point of agreement. There is a large trust deficit b/w Afghans and Pakistanis (Establishments). Hailing from Khyber Pakhtoon Khwa (North West Frontier) Province & interacting with Afghan refugees (by default) quite frequently and having interest in the regional affairs, I truly believe there is only a trust deficit. We have a common enemy, who is now only outsmarting us all (Pakistan- Afghanistan - US). This is one of the final tactics used in a dying down insurgency, i.e. to create mistrust between allies, if possible, and this would be a great success for them. If we allow this, we will be giving them an upper edge. I believe all the three allies are seriously committed to their cause. Insurgents may be finding support in some independent players having personal and local interests (eg. drug and commodity smugglers). Let's not play into the hands of the insurgents and have a more broader view of the issue.
Re: Maybe but the commanders are Punjabis
True the corp may be Pashtun but the commannders like most of Pakistani army is mostly Punjabis. So that would explain why there is that Urdu accented Pasthun.
Almost the accent of every Pakistani Pashtun is Urdu-accented. Ask any Afghan who has lived in Pakistan.
Most Pakistani Pathans speak a different dialect of Pashto (hence the different terms: Pashtun vs. Pakhtun and the name of the language, Pashto vs. Pakhto). Yes, certainly, educated Pakistani Pakhtuns would use more Urdu words than Afghans would but, again, it is laughable to say "Urdu accented Pashto." The dialectical differences have nothing to do with the amount of Urdu words in a speaker's vocabulary. It would have to be Pashto accented Urdu (the accents are very distinct: as immediately noticable as a thick Irish accent vs. a US Southern accent, say).
As far as this article goes, the simple truth of the matter is that the US has gotten itself involved in a private quarrel whose roots most Americans are unable/unwilling to understand. Go read the history of Pak-Afghan relations from 1947 on to figure out why Pakistan is not particularly interested in toeing the US line.
IF the US wanted full Pakistani cooperation (real cooperation that is), it should not have installed a virulently anti-Pakistani government in Kabul post 9-11. Even Lakhdar Brahimi described the Afghan government as 'anti Pakistani!' The rest is history with the US getting caught in the middle as it were.
you treacherous afghans should pack up and send back from our country 4 million of your refugees whom we are feeding, clothing and giving shelter and medical assistance (at our state expense)
pack your bags and get lost.
By the way I am a proud Pakhtun, I hail from Kurram.
We have had it enough with you useless Afghans. Most treacherous, back-stabbing people in the world.
It is NATO that is occupying your country, not Pakistan. So get your priorities in order, khar bachya
next you yanks will claim the orders are coming from the higher ups of the much feared ISI right????
Director General of the ISI (Lt. Gen. A.S. Pasha) is himself a Pashtun Pakistani =)
given the ethnic crossover of tribes and given our vast ''experience'' in Afghanistan, I believe we will have the upper hand in the end
Leave the Events and Actors : Look at Pakistani Ideals & Goals
Angry Americans and Jingoistic Pakistanis,
Don't get involved in such small things like acrid debate over certain dialect or accent, but look at the core issue.
The core issue is Pakistan has always used violence and terrorism as foreign policy tool to realize the highly twisted expansionist goals to annex Kashmir and colonize Afghanistan.
Angry, troubled and confused American tried their best to feign ignorance of persistent Pakistani duplicity for a decade.
Pakistani rulers cry aloud and beat their chest about violation of their exhaled sovereignty to locate and Osama Bin Laden and recent incident involving killing of 24 Pakistani soldiers.
But they have never bothered about sovereignty of its neighbors and have violated their sovereignty again and again with no remorse.
Multiple Terror attacks in India, Afghanistan and else where in the world with well entrenched Pakistani terror foot prints need no further proof.
More over no proof will ever force these Rulers to change their support, incubation and facilitation of Islamic Terror along with furthering their expansionist objectives.
Finally an article from someone on the front lines saying it
like it is.
The Afghan policy is failing because of
- our pussy footedness in dealing with Pakistan
- our widely advertised "exit date"
While the "exit" date has been "modified" and the damage (which was HUGE) has been limited, the TLC that we give to Pakistan remains. Unless Pakistan gets the message that we intend to protect our troops, the broken legs, arms and crippling injuries will continue.
FINALLY SOMEONE ADMITTING OF BEING A PUSSY
for "EXIT" read "DEFEAT"
No shame in admitting that, Vodka
Your mom kept saying that about your dad? Said she begat you when she did your granddad!
The writer made the admission of being a technical advisr to a lying war criminal and that makes his article suspect. It would have been less suspect if we would have heard his story before this recent attack that killed all those Paki Border guards. He seems to be involved in the tactical situation and ten years after we went into Afghanistan he and the other military should realize that the Generals and State Department havn't gotten it right yet. It's time to leave and cut our losses of troops and money.
Ignorance / LAck of Knowledge or all the above
Donning on a flack jacket and running the mountain trails with your NA buddies does not make you knowledgeable in any of the areas you attempt to proselytize. To the contrary having tea with my NA buddies and having incoming fire to contend with would make look at everything from the Pak border with jaundiced eye, as is obvious from this article.
The facts are so different.
NA folks who are the majority of the the Afghan Forces have historically been anti-Pak and pro-India, and for them to make an argument about Urdu accented pushto and have a kid from mid-western state buy it lock stock and barrel is pretty easy, as evidenced from Waltz self-proclaimed story.
Pak border forces and soldiers are absolutely more supportive of their brethren. You might call them Taliban, but the fact is by aligning ourselves with the NA we have dis-enfranchised the largest ethnic group in Afghanistan. A group that is more than 40% of the Afghan population. So expect this to happen, but don't talk in terms of back-stabbing etc., since this was expressed and pleaded with the American for years - but hubris has a strange way.
Waltz should also quit with the foolish narrative of billions of dollars. The exact figure of civilian aid (net inflow) is 400MM over 10 years. This is approximately 20 cents for every Pakistan. Hence is why no one in that country gives a damn about these so called carrots.
Finally Waltz's views are so myopic - he would have us fight Pakistan so that he, his unit, and perhaps our stupid Afghan policy would have an avenue to succeed. In the process he would have us loose a nation 10 times the size (population) of Afghanistan, and a 100 times more strategic to our interest.
I guess its just such thinking that lands us with the cushy positions at think tanks like New America Foundation.
>>>NA folks who are the majority of the the Afghan Forces have historically been anti-Pak and pro-India
Yes, but please tell your audience why. It's not so much that the northern ethnic groups are anti-Pak or pro-India as they are against Pashtun domination. In particular, in the civil war after Najibullah, when Pak funded the Taliban, it still didn't control the northern areas; they were still fighting on, supported by, among others, India and Iran.
So what I object to is saying "historically been anti-Pak and pro-India". These are shifting alliances, the constant being that Af is a somewhat artificial country, with a weak center, and roughly balanced ethnically. The Pashtun Taliban committed atrocities against the Hazaras, more than the norm for that area, and not just in the heat of battle, but explicitly because the latter were Shia. These things leave an after effect.
When the US invaded after 9/11, it obviously made common cause with the northern tribes, the Tajiks and Uzbeks. But Karzai is still a Pashtun. So it's the usual stew of various actors seeking their best benefit, and ethnicity is not the only issue.
More interesting is this unspoken assumption in your note that the Pashtuns have a natural right to dominate Afghan life, and it's a monstrous injustice to have some non-Pashtun presence in the ANA. And it's not as unbalanced as you make it : for example,
http://atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/LL01Df04.html
Though chiefly commanded by Pashtuns now, northerners constitute at least 55% of the ANA's officers and rank-and-file,
or
http://afpak.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/03/22/transition_to_nowhere_the_limits_of_afghanization
The "template" approved by the Ministry of Defense for recruitment use attempts to recruit based on ethnicity - maintaining that the ANA should reach a personnel quota of 42 percent Pashtun, 27 percent Tajik, 9 percent Uzbek, 9 percent Hazara, and 13 percent others, such as Arab, Baluch and Nuristani. . . . . Even with a seemingly balanced representation throughout the ANA according to the above ethnic breakdown, ethnic Tajiks still dominate the officer and NCO ranks.
Or see this,
http://www.dawn.com/2011/01/03/ethnic-discrimination-infests-afghan-army-soldiers-say.html
On one patrol, an Uzbek soldier summed up the despair felt by many of his brothers in arms. “Non-Pashtun people have no value here. What can I do?” he said. “How can our country be built if things go on like this?”
So you say "dis-enfranchisement", I say second order differences in ethnic representation, and a sense of entitlement. You seem to be saying, if only the US could align itself with the 40% group and let it dominate the other 60% ...
The most important point to remember is that the US is battling the Taliban, not the Pashtun people. Any attempt to blur this is disinformation.
>>>In the process he would have us loose a nation 10 times the size (population) of Afghanistan, and a 100 times more strategic to our interest.
In what possible way is Pak of any strategic importance to us ? It had its uses during the Cold War, as a listening post and as a way to surround the former Soviet Union. It lost all utility after the Cold War. India is a growing economy and Af possibly has minerals to extract. What does Pak have ?
Though I agree with much of what you say - I must point out that yes by virtue of the Pushtuns being a majority they have the right to rule over Afghanistan. I also disagree that somehow the NA are an enlightened bunch over the pushtuns. They are both the same - perhaps with a few degrees of separation. The Taliban were particularity odious but nevertheless not too far from the other types. Infact this is more a situation of rural vs urbanites. The NA type being the Kabuls / MS / Herat dwellers. The Talibs being the farmers and rural mountain people.
I guess a similar distinction between the swamp people of Lousiana vs tbe elites New York.
The fact is taking any side is foolish. Afghanistan will have her own dynamic - let it play out. Keep it integrated with the world. Develop trade and over time and over generations it will moderate itself out. Moderation comes with integration.
The path we are taking is destined to failure. All it does is further entrench people in their own myopic views.
Though I agree that the US is fighting the Talibs not the Pushtuns - anyone who has any sense of the Pushtuns knows that this distinctions only exists in our minds - not theres. Of even if it remotely did in the early stages of the war - the longer it went on the greater was teh erosion of this distinction - to where it stands today, where this has now become a full blown Pushtun insurrection. The only part where there is still a distinction to be made is urban Pushtun versus Rural Pushtun. Where the ruralites are completely behing the insurrection, the urbanites are somewhat divided...
Finally your notion that Pak has no strategic value and especially you need to couch that in terms of India have far greater value speaks to your own views of a zero sum game as it relates to India vs Pak. I tend to disagree - since I believe your views are view of the past. India and Pakistan are well along the way to normalization. Another 5 years and we'll begin to see both those countries have greater economic integration. For India too Pakistan has far greater strategic value that Afghanistan.
Pakistan strategic value exists in the following:
Pakistan impacts India positively or negatively (obviously we want a positive impact - so India can grow and prosper). A weak or confrontation Pakistan will impede India regardless of her recent accomplishments. For a true breaking of the mould both countries need to move past their history.
Pakistan will be the fourth most populace country in the world and provides tremendous opportunities and pitfalls if not retained within the Western orbit. A shift to the Chinese orbit is occurring - both India and the West needs to halt that.
Pakistan is central to the Central Asia. With access through Pakistan - CA is not reachable.
Pakistan is central to Chinese containment. Pakistan can be a deal breaker in the overall strategy to contain China. This is central for the West and India.
Pakistan is a nuclear nation and her stability is central to the safety of India and other interests.
I can go on but any of the above is strategic in my estimation.
>>>I must point out that yes by virtue of the Pushtuns being a majority they have the right to rule over Afghanistan
That's too harsh; power must be shared between the groups in some equitable way, by dividing some of the important government positions in a gentleman's agreement, or rotating, or whatever.
>>>Though I agree that the US is fighting the Talibs not the Pushtuns - anyone who has any sense of the Pushtuns knows that this distinctions only exists in our minds
Well, the Talibs are also creating a dangerous perception by letting in outsiders who create chaos. To begin with, they were funded by Pak. Then they let in Arab Al Qaeda. Now there's yesterday's latest atrocity, where LEJ is claiming "credit" for bombing Hazaras. Why is Pak terrorist group LEJ running wild in Af ? Is it with Taliban's approval, and can some of the non Pasthuns be blamed for suspecting that ?
Above and beyond all that, the Talibs are really a Frankestein's monster (hatched by ISI). Dictators and tyrants are common in that part of the world, but Taliban are a scary new low. So maybe we have to wait until Mullah Omar meets the same fate as OBL, and a detoxed surviving Taliban can join normal politics.
>>>India and Pakistan are well along the way to normalization. Another 5 years and we'll begin to see both those countries have greater economic integration.
That would be great if it happened, hopefully it will.
The Paki definition of Pashtun!!!!!
Mr P without Knowledge!!!!!
Listen, I know Pashtuns are in majority in Afghanistan and have historicall ruled but in collaboration with other minorities. but dont try to confused Pashtuns with talibans!!! Talibans represent a faction of ignorant , barbarian criminals who are brain washed, trained and funded by ISI to dictate Afghanistan and install a puppet regime in Kabul ( a dream that Pakistan will take to her grave! ) . The majority of Pashtuns are peace loving and hate talibans for their barbarian acts of genocide and no respect for humanity at all. A pashtun rule in Afghanistan does not mean rule by barbarian talibans!!!!!!!!!!! Afghans categorically reject that ISI demand.........Hamid karzai is Pashtun, most of his cabinet are pashtuns including foriegn, defence, education and other key ministeries but ISI has problem with that because they dont represent that barbarian faction called talibans and wont listen to ISI.....
Secondly, Pakistan is no body to ask for Pashtun rights in Afghanistan. How much rights have Pakistan given to pashtuns inside Pakistan. Until recently they didnt even have a name and were grouped under north, south, east, west broken frontier province.!
The best favour Pakistan can do to Pashtuns is to let Pashtuns on other side of the border to join Afghanistan as they have been historically part of Afghanistan and have the same culture. THey have nothing in common with the punjabi majority of Pakistan and we will take take is a good example of Pakistan's so deeply touched sympathy for Pashtuns for which u have been lobbying as well!!!!
Stop pretending that we are allies
We in America are always afraid that if we do not engage with Pakistan, Pakistani nukes will fall in the hands of terrorists, or extremist groups will take over Pakistan....
I am not sure if this analysis/conclusion is correct. To see this, first we need to understand that Pakistani army and Taliban/LeT/JUD/.. are NOT separate entities. Taliban/LeT/JUD/... are "veritable" arms of Pakistani army. We need to stop distinguishing between Pakistan army and Taliban/LeT/JUD/.. The only difference between Pakistani army and Taliban is the uniform. The mindset, the goals, the payroll, and the origin of the two are the same.
If we do agree on this, then Pakistani nukes are already in the hands of terrorists. Pakistan is already being controlled by extremists.
So, what is the solution out of this mess? I believe, there is no easy solution. But that doesn't mean we should continue to follow the policies of the last ten years. If we continue to do the same, the results will also be the same.
Probably, first thing we need to do is reduce our footprint in Afghanistan to a level which can be supported by non-Pakistani supply routes. Once we are not dependent for the supplies on Pakistan, next we minimize the aid to Pakistan to humanitarian aid only. A large portion of our tax payers dollars currently going to Pakistan are being used to support Taliban and other terrorist groups, and to build more nukes. If this continues, things will become more and more difficult in future. Therefore, we have to cut the lifeline which is supporting the Taliban and Pakistani nukes. Taliban cannot exist for long without support from Pakistani army. That's where they are getting ammunition, and other necessities.
With the limited foot print in Afghanistan, once we are not dependent on Pakistan for supplies to Afghanistan, we need to stop to pretend that we are allies with Pakistan on "war on terror", because fact of the matter is that we are not allies, and we have not been allies on "war on terror" for the last ten years. Again, Pakistani army has been our ally on the war on terror only as much as Taliban. Again, we have to stop distinguishing Pakistani army and Taliban. It is a single organization.
Once we stop pretending that we are allies, using Afghanistan as the base, we need to destroy by aerial means any location which we believe is being used for terrorist activities. Whether it is being used by Haqqani network, or LeT, or JUD, or other Talibans, or any other terrorist organization needs to be destroyed. We need to make it clear to Pakistan that it cannot continue to support any terrorist activities. Whether it is in FATA, in Quetta, in Lahore, or in Karachi, it needs to be taken out.
I know it will be very difficult to achieve all this alone. We need the support of a lot of countries on this... Russia, China, India, ....to name a few. And that's where the hard part lies. Can the diplomacy of our government achieve this is the most challenging question. Certainly not going to be easy....
Take out this, take out that, bomb this, bomb that. What are you guys smoking here. Have you ever traveled the world. Have you been to these countries that you want to take out. Do you even have the remotest sense of the size we are talking about. The Afghan-Pak border is 2300KM long. Yes that is 2300KM - through mountain ranges that would make the Rockies looks like the Appalachia Hills of West Virginia.
So quit smoking and wake up. Fighting Arabs and small Latin American countries is one thing. "Taking out", a nation of nearly 900,000 square km landmass, and 200 million people (perhaps one of the worlds most armed populace), an Army that has fought a foe 4 times her size, and finally a country with all three system for nuclear delivery, not to mention one of the world largest diaspora - only when you truly begin to appreciate this - do you begin to realize why McArthur warned Kennedy when he said Never Start A Land War in Asia.
Problem is as Americans we seldom travel the world - we seldom get out of our comfort-zone world view. We build realities out of a prism that is stuck.
Lets quit with these wars, lets reach out via our trade, and our views and culture. That is the smart projection of power. The path we are taking is a path to nowhere but loss of our young generations and treasure, with an eventual demise of our promise.
Your point of view, and all your comments here, are certainly valid from the point of view of a Pakistani citizen. I can appreciate your concerns.
Unfortunately, the rest of the world by now is tired of the Pakistani double game.
If the carrot of 20 billion dollars did not work, the flowers of trade and culture are certainly not going to work. Trade and culture -- this is too idealistic and simplistic.
There probably would not be any terrorism in the world, if Pakistan did not have Nukes to blackmail the rest of the world.
seriously, read what you just wrote
Do you really want to start a world war because "you need to destroy any location which you believe is being used for terrorist activities"? Suppose you're right, I guess there are tons of bomb makers, murderers, arsonists (potential terrorists) in NYC, Washington and LA let's just take those hellholes out to be on the safe side!
You reap what you sow. Pakistan has consistently supported terror as a state policy and now the chickens have come home to roost.
Did you "advise" Cheney to allow Musharraf to airlift the Taliban out of Kunduz?
Or was that a rogue decision?
I completely agree with the gentlemen who think that this writer has ran amok.Being closely asociated with Cheny will do it to any body. First of all we have to know that America is the aggressor here. Taliban represent Pushtoons who are in the majority in Afghanistan. And without the help of Pakistan, American efforts are doomed there. I can understand the hubris of this gang ho officer, but let us be clear headed. We are broke. We spent hundreds of Billions in Iraq and are doing the same in afghanistan.Pakistan has a strong army and the population is extremely anti-american for good reasons.Pakistan is also a nuclear country and if the Extremist come to power in Pakistan because of the backlash against the pro-american government, it could lead to a nuclear conflagration, between Pakistan and India. Also Isreal could become a target.So my advice to the writer is to cool down his rhetoric and instead plead for quick withdrawl. Please remember Afghanis have defeated Alexander, the British and the Soviets. They have also ruled India for about 500 years.They are people of patience and courage.The terrain , the history and the time are on their side. America and by extension Mr Waltz are on the wrong side of history and on the wrong side of the argument.
After reading a lot of testosterone fuelled comments above, some with surprising ignorance and some with typical anti-Pak comments, Syedahaq's comments are spot on.
Accept defeat and leave the region.
@ lady syedahaq/ Ignorance hasn't got wings!
I must congratulate you on your ignorance regarding Afghanistan and its people. The citizens of Afghanistan are called Afghans and not Afghnis which is the currency. If that is your level of knowledge about Afghanistan being your neighbour, then you must stop commenting about Afghans and read something before you start speaking out.
STOP this boring rhetoric that TALIBANS represents pashtuns......Talibans represent barbarianism and terrorism which are the marketing tools of ISI...They are the toy boys of ISI and nothing more.........The world knows that...stop bluffing, please.
Lady,
You love these barbarians, have them for yourself....Afghans dont want them....You can have all of them, I assure you!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and secondly, as you claim that Afghans have defeated most powers and ruled India, why not they should rule Pakistan as well!!! as most of today's Pakistan's territory belongs to Afghanistan any way!!! That will end the crisis as well.....
Only problem with your logic is that there are more Pushtuns in Pakistan than Afghanistan. So not sure which side the growth with happen. Pak to Afg or the other way. Ask any Pushtun in Pakistan whether they want to be with Pakistan or go to Afghanistan and you'll get your answer.
This article by Michael Waltz, a special forces officer in U. S. Army, should be an eye-opener to Hillary Clinton and her naïve State Department.
Compare Michael Waltz’s article to Hillary Clinton’s claim in an interview to Fox News on 12/5/11 that “We (US and Pakistan ) do have a common enemy. The terrorists who attacked inside Pakistan are also attacking our forces in Afghanistan as well as Afghans, and launching attacks against us and other countries around the world. So we have a mutual interest in working together”!
Hillary is NOT fighting in Afghanistan, Michael Waltz did.
Her own previous US ambassador Anne Patterson to Pakistan, wrote in a secret review in 2009 that ‘Pakistan's Army and ISI are covertly SPONSORING four militant groups - Haqqani‘s HQN, Mullah Omar‘s QST, Al Qaeda and LeT - and will not abandon them for any amount of US money‘, as diplomatic cables released by WikiLeaks show.
Ambassador Patterson had NO reason to mislead her own State Department and U. S. government.
None of the groups mentioned by Ambassador Patterson are attacking inside Pakistan.
Wake Up, Hillary Clinton! Stop misleading US Congress and American people. Listen/Read what Michael Waltz has to say.
MARTY MARTEL recycles the same comment again and again...
"Pakistan army is sponsoring Al Qaeda ?
None of the groups are attacking inside Pakistan."
Oh please !!! What rubbish.
And mention some new stuff. Your comments are getting boring and frankly, repeating them numerous times is akin to madness.
i Agree in can understand the hubris of this gang ho officer, but let us be clear headed. We are broke. We spent hundreds of Billions in Iraq and are doing the same in afghanistan.Pakistan has a strong army and the population is extremely anti-american for good reasons.Pakistan is also a nuclear country and if the Extremist come to power in Pakistan because of the backlash against the pro-american government, it could lead to a nuclear conflagration, between Pakistan and India. Also Isreal could become a target.So my advice to the writer is to cool down his rhetoric and instead plead for quick withdrawl....Thanks ! Seguro Imoveis Massagistas Acompanhantes Ar Condicionado Carro
To the Michael Waltz of the world
Is it not obvious that American are just looking for a scapegoat, and of course, Pakistan is an easy target. Rather than burying your head in the sand, why not try to wake up, and admit the stupid mistakes Bush made by taking eyes of the ball, and starting a war in Iraq for absolutely no reason. Not sure if it was sheer arrogance, or his low IQ, or maybe both, but by picking on Pakistan for your defeat in Af, is barking up the wrong tree. Its the Iraq war that stretched US resources thin, and caused this defeat in Af PLUS BROUGHT US ON THE VERGE OF BANKRUPTCY.
Pakistan, on its part, should start living on its own means, and cease asking/accepting any aid from US, or for that matter, any other country. Pakistani people are a proud nation, and they would be willing to live within their means, if corrupt Pakistani govt starts showing some character. US HAS A TRACK RECORD of being a FAIRWEATHER FRIEND. Was it NOT THE US, who created this monster called TALIBAN? Oh, sorry, at that time, US would call them MUJAHIDEEN (Freedom fighters). As long as they were killing Russians, they are good guys :)
As for Afghanistan, Afghans will never be friends to Pakistan, no matter what Pakistan does. So, I suggest, Pakistan should kick all the Afghani refugees, and have Karzai feed them. Pakistan has had enough of ungrateful Afghans.
Finally, with collective wisdom, Pakistan and India can go a long way in uplifting the livings standards of their people. I am certain, the people of India and Pakistan have always been able to get along; its the politicians who need to wake up, and throw away the past animosity, and start a new chapter of peace and hormony!
>Is it not obvious that American are just looking for a scapegoat, and of course, Pakistan is an easy target. Rather than burying your head in the sand, why not try to wake up, and admit the stupid mistakes Bush made by taking eyes of the ball, and starting a war in Iraq for absolutely no reason.
I do not disagree. Starting the war in Iraq while one was going on in Afghanistan was ill-advised. In fact, I'm not sure you will find many people who disagree.
>Not sure if it was sheer arrogance, or his low IQ, or maybe both, but by picking on Pakistan for your defeat in Af, is barking up the wrong tree. Its the Iraq war that stretched US resources thin, and caused this defeat in Af PLUS BROUGHT US ON THE VERGE OF BANKRUPTCY.
Do I detect anger behind your words? It's a great motivator, to be certain, but I find that it is rather detrimental to civil discourse, especially over the internet. Looking on the bright side, at least the entire paragraph wasn't in caps.
>Pakistan, on its part, should start living on its own means, and cease asking/accepting any aid from US, or for that matter, any other country. Pakistani people are a proud nation, and they would be willing to live within their means, if corrupt Pakistani govt starts showing some character.
Agreed, in part. Foreign aid is often very political and generally restricts a country to purchasing things from their benefactor. That said, if the products are useful then I see no reason why they should not be purchased. Foreign aid is a means to an end. The idea of the Pakistani government (I will refrain from cheap potshots involving the ISI) in the current status quo finally "showing some character" is more interesting. As far as I can tell, that same corrupt government has it pretty good under the current status quo, so what incentive do they have to change?
>US HAS A TRACK RECORD of being a FAIRWEATHER FRIEND. Was it NOT THE US, who created this monster called TALIBAN? Oh, sorry, at that time, US would call them MUJAHIDEEN (Freedom fighters). As long as they were killing Russians, they are good guys :)
I think you will find that being a "fair-weather friend" was not all that unusual during the Cold War and it is truly a regrettable part of our nation's foreign policy. To suggest, however, that the U.S. created the Taliban knowing what they would eventually become is absurd, though judging the past without context is a popular tactic among people who believe that America can do no right. Incidentally, the mujahideen who fought in Afghanistan came from many different backgrounds and some of them may have eventually become part of the Taliban, but to equate the two is a rather broad brush. On a similar note, one of the mujahideen in Afghanistan during the Soviet invasion may have been Osama bin Laden, but that does not mean that the mujahideen became al-Qaeda.
>As for Afghanistan, Afghans will never be friends to Pakistan, no matter what Pakistan does. So, I suggest, Pakistan should kick all the Afghani refugees, and have Karzai feed them. Pakistan has had enough of ungrateful Afghans.
Foreign Policy ran an article a few months back suggesting that it was in Pakistan's interest to keep Afghanistan sympathetic towards her in order to provide a hedge against aggression by India. I do not see any reason that this could not happen if the Taliban come back into power. Ideologies are a funny thing in international diplomacy. The question I ask is "Why is it that Pakistan could not establish diplomatic relations with Afghanistan, especially with a resurgent Taliban government?"
>Finally, with collective wisdom, Pakistan and India can go a long way in uplifting the livings standards of their people. I am certain, the people of India and Pakistan have always been able to get along; its the politicians who need to wake up, and throw away the past animosity, and start a new chapter of peace and hormony!
Hormony is certainly right. There is a lot of hormone-fuelled ranting between pro-India and pro-Pakistan commenters. I encourage you to cherish your optimism and hope for the future - it is something we should strive to protect in this increasingly cynical world. I also encourage you to avoid Wikipedia's article on Indo-Pakistani relations. Purely for your own good, of course.
@Jeeway Pakistan Pakistan has had enough of ungrateful Afghans
"As for Afghanistan, Afghans will never be friends to Pakistan, no matter what Pakistan does. So, I suggest, Pakistan should kick all the Afghani refugees, and have Karzai feed them. Pakistan has had enough of ungrateful Afghans".
Afghan refugees and businessmen contribute to the economy of Pakistan by working there and through remittances received from Afghans living in the West, which in turn benefits the local economy.
Afghan refugees receive aid from the UN not the government of Pakistan and that aid has been siphoned off by corrupt Pakistani bureaucrats enriching themselves. Pakistan would not have allowed Afghans refuge had it not been for all the aid coming into Pakistan. Let's be realistic and stop pretending that Pakistan did the Afghans a favor by giving them refuge.
Afghans will never be friends to Pakistan because of Afghanistan's long standing constitutional irredentism and Pakistan's myopic foreign policy of trying to achieve strategic depth in Afghanistan.
Pakistan needs to look inward and realize that deep in their heart of hearts they are Indians and stop pretending to be Arabs, Persians or Afghans and give up the facade of trying to impose an alien culture on a population that is in essence Indian. Stop taking Arab money and naming mosques and stadiums after Arab tyrants and shut down Madrassas that promote jihadi culture.
All I can say to the above - dumb. Pakistan is a mix of people of all types. And what is Indian? India too has Pushtons, Tamil, Punjabi, etc etc., a whole mix of ethnic groups.
Afghanistan as a country needs to end. The Pushton parts should become an extension of the Khyber in Pakistan. The Tajik and Uzbeki parts of their own little nations.
Kabul can be the new Singapore city state of central Asia and Afghans like you and Karzai can just live in that dustbowl.
Afghanistan could not survive for 3 weeks if Pakistan stopped all food and oil exports to that country. 3 weeks. So the notion that somehow Pakistan has no interests in that country, but India and her 13 consulates are somehow more naturally acceptable speaks of the typical Northern Alliance mind f*rt that we are now tired off.
You NA types need to give up on your ethnic hatreds - learn to live with the Pushtons of your own land - and smoke a bit ganja while you're at it. And pls quit with the boy molestations you NA types think are your rights. That is quite disgusting, not to mention immoral and perhaps illegal. But then again it is Afghanistan so legality might be a grey line.
Pakistan is the aborted child of colonialism
Pakistan is an artificial country made up of Indian people calling themselves Pakistani...what is Pakistan? Hindustan is the land of the Hindus, Afghanistan is the land of the Afghans and that leaves us with Pakistan...the land of dark skinned Indians pretending to be something other than what they are. You can put lipstick on a pig and at the end of the day the pig is a pig and Pakistan is also known as Porkistan. Pakistan should be divided into what it used to be India and Afghanistan.
Afghans tend to molest their young boys out of sexual frustration.
his frustration at seeing only girls covered head to toe in backwards looking burqas has gotten to his head
I always laugh at these panjsheri d!ck-wads who think they have a chance challenging Pakistan.....he talks about Pakistan being artificial when in fact it is Afghanistan that has had 300 years to build a nation and 300 years later they are still living like barbarian savages --killing eachother.
the funniest are those ''Aryan'' afghans who think they are superior by trying to look european.....in reality, they are peasants who come to Pakistan to drive tractors or steal mobile phones and parts off of cars
we need to permanently shut our borders to Afghanistan.......40 million of us Pakistani Pakhtuns would be relieved by that. These Afghans come here and only know how to make trouble. They are almost as useless as the malnourished indians
Author has forgotten to mention the name of Hollywood movie, from where he has got the story!!!
FP, mind the copyrights, you may be sued soon.................
Or is it with the intention of MAKING script for a new Hollywood movie???
Why US is looosing in Afghanistan?
Now one can clearly understand why US is losing in Afghanistan.
With such ignorant authors as Michael Waltz, becoming senior advisers on counter terrorism, US is doomed to fail!!!
Flawed and imaginary Arabized identity has become the biggest curse for Pakistani nation. The sickening ideologies emanated from this flawed identity are now posing grave threats to world peace and the very existence of the country itself
“These walls are funny. First you hate 'em, then you get used to 'em. Enough time passes, you get so depended on them. That's institutionalized.” --Morgan Freeman as Red in Shawshank Redemption
Pakistan is the primary and worst victim of institutionalized falsehood. How ironic is the fact that the ‘fabrication gurus’ had to concoct so-called ‘Ideology of Pakistan” long after the inception of Pakistan. The chauvinistic and undemocratic mindset, right from the beginning, had a realization the powers will have to be conceded to people if a genuine democracy takes root in newly emerged state.
To keep a tight grip on power and to keep the masses enslaved, a mind control strategy was sought through systematic and institutionalized indoctrination by the crooks at helm of the affairs, especially feudal cum politicians and civil bureaucracy. At that particular time, the military and mullah were ‘dragged into game’ as junior partners, where the later was to act us ‘paid propagandist’ to divert people from real to ‘non-issues’.
The unscrupulous feudal cum politicians had to rely on the ‘muscle power’ of military while confronting the challenge of growing dissenting voices. Thus, it provided an opportunity to military establishment to take the plunge and modify its role from a ‘junior partner’ to a ‘big boss’.
The civil and military establishments both resorted in appeasing the mullah to consolidate their illegitimate regimes. Consequently, the mullah exploited the situation to advance his own agenda. This agenda was (is) based on pan-Islamism and it was the very reason that the mullah had opposed the separation of the Sub-continent earlier. Furthermore, he deemed it a perfect opportunity to avenge his earlier defeats.
However, it was not only typical mullah who played religious cards to advance his agenda. It was a great irony of the history that Mohammad Ali Jinnah, the founding father of the nation and a man with all the secular credentials and liberal in life style resorted in religious rhetoric to popularize his movement for a separate Muslim state. The history repeated itself when Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, another man in modern outlook betrayed his progressive supporter and thus, opened ‘hell gates’ of extreme religiosity, inflicted on the people by then military dictator Gen. Zia.
While refusing to learn a lesson from the separation of Bangladesh which was also a big blow to the notion that religion can be a binding force of diverse ethnic and cultural groups, the Pakistani establishment thus intensified its institutionalized efforts of carving out a flawed and concocted identity of the country as well as its people.
The establishment was desperate to paint a false identity fearing that the flourishing democracy on the other side of the border may ultimately devour their hegemonic rule. The power hungry establishment was also aware of the fact that the religious euphoria could not really cater to the needs of the all ethnic and cultural groups living in its territory.
Therefore, it was decided to instill this false identity by means of all sorts of coercion and manipulation, including enactment of discriminatory and draconian laws against the minorities and women, changing curricula with infusion of hate speeches, violence and extremely bigoted and intolerant worldview and patronizing violent extremist religious groups.
Besides, the state initiated ruthless Arabization (as newly found identity) of society on the cost of the Baloch, Sindhi, Pashtoon, Punjabi, Saraiki and other indigenous identities. The new imposed Arabized identity had some distinct features i.e. 1-detachment from South Asia and attachment with Middle East, 2-self-hatred (showing distain towards South Asian ancestry and obsessed efforts of tracing genealogy in Arabia, Central Asia or Iran) and love for foreign invaders of the past and sympathies with global jihadists of the present.
Today, this flawed and imaginary Arabized identity has become the biggest curse for Pakistani nation. The sickening ideologies emanated from this flawed identity are now posing grave threats to world peace and the very existence of the country itself. But the people of Pakistan are still not ready to determine who their real enemy is. They are totally oblivious of the history of Sub-continent prior to Arabian invasion on this soil led by Mohammad bin Qasim.
This flawed identity is one of the biggest contributors in widespread confusion in the society about the real enemy. The people of Pakistan, in general, have developed sympathies for Jihadist terrorists as they have a feeling of shared identity with them. Thus, the nation is fighting this battle half heartedly. This identity crisis has produced a population which is falling fast into hypocrisy and double standards.
The people of Pakistan want to emulate Arabs in every sphere of life but at other hand, their social ethos, family system and values all are deeply rooted in their South Asian identity and they have a strange love-hate relationship with this identity. The collective guilt of living “immoral” or un-Islamic (on South Asian ethos) lives is pushing them towards more religiosity and thus more isolation and self-hatred.
As a result of this identity crisis, deliberate disconnect with the past, twisted and biased history and being part of illusionary ‘Umma’, majority of the Pakistanis are living in a state of deep confusion and denial. Thus, they resort in supremacist religious ideologies and glorification of the invaders, just to soothe their bruised but inflated egos. This persistent state of denial, bigotry and confusion is resulting as irrational, extreme and violent behaviors.
The inability to comprehend the concepts of a nation state, modernity, equality and pluralism has made the perplexed Pakistani nation incompatible with modern world. Hence, the only areas where they are far ahead of other nations are massive corruption, extremism, violence and terrorism. The feature scenario also seems bleak as any critical thinking is immediately threatened with life. There is a serious and dire need to revive local (South Asian) identities and to return to a pluralist society which has a history of thousands of years in the Sub-continent.
Shafqat Aziz a socio-political analyst based in Islamabad. He is founding member of the online community “Liberal Pakistan”.
these naiive, ignortant Americans never cease to make me laugh
Urdu-accented Pashto? Is this a joke?
First of all, the Pak Army and the FC are not the same entity. While they both report directly to the MoD, the FC are a paramilitary organization comprised entirely of ethnic Pashtuns. It has been this way since even before independence from the brits
second of all, dont whine about rockets from our side when you people can't even control Kabul. Your hold over Afghanistan is an artificial one. The media tries to highlight ''prosperous'' Afghanistan as if NATO has brought miracles to the country. As a resident of the tribal areas, I can assure you that ground realities suggest otherwise.
NATO will leave in utter defeat and utter failure, just like the soviets did. You cannot blame Pakistan if Afghans flee to our side of the border, cross back into Afghanistan --find a safehouse there to store weapons and then attack ISAF
dont blame us and make pathetic excuses for your abysmal failures
when will you be ready to confront Afghan militias that fire artillery into our side? NATO has groomed an anti-Pashtun afghan army which is guilty of the grossest human rights against Pashtuns (45% of the Afghan population)
northern alliance is no different.
those who wage war against Pakistan or who engage in hostile manner against Pakistan should only be prepared for the wrath of 180 million nationalistic Pakistanis.
Do not allow things to get to a point of no return. If you want us to be your partners, then learn a thing or two about RESPECT.
if you disrespect us, be prepared for us to permanently shut the door on you....and you know what that entails. Because you need us more than we need you.
Love us or hate us, be it the Republicans or Democrats, America NEEDS Pakistan to make it out of Afghanistan. We were supposed to link up on the border of Bajaur-Kunnar 2 years ago and press the Taliban between our columns, thus producing the Hammer and Anvil effect. We made the deadline, the Americans still haven't. We checked infiltration, fought for their posts which we handed to them and they deserted those posts in a month due to the absence of road links. Now we hold them again.
America is stuck in the world's worst neighbourhood, it will pay to be nice to the one helping hand you have before it decides that it's interests are better served elsewhere.
actually, it looks like we already will be looking elsewhere.....anyone in uniform or in civilian garb who has half a brain will know that it's always important (in war time and peace time) to have a sound contingency plan
NATO occupation will one day be a thing of the past....and quite frankly, I'm damn proud of that fact.
Talk about misguided hate! Afghans destroyed their country with infighting leading to the Soviet invasion. Then Afghans further destroyed their own country with infighting after the Soviets left.
Pakistan has a say because Pakistan hosts 40 million Pashtuns who come and go freely between Pakistan and Afghanistan. When the Pashtuns were on the receiving end in Afghanistan post Soviet departure, it resulted in unrest amongst Pakistan's Pashtun community and as a result, Pakistan had to step up to pacify the country and stabilize it due to Pakistan's own internal security compulsions. When we were working with the Pashtuns, the Americans, the Emeratis and the Saudis all understood the need to stabilize the country and supported these efforts. Back then, the Taliban were just the younger Pashtuns. When the Taliban started pushing their extremist vision, Pakistani government and the Saudis tried to refrain them, yet they persisted. However on the part of Pakistan, it was important to deal with them because they were the defacto rulers of Afghanistan.
So this talk about Pakistan destroying the Afghan society is a good spin that works well to keep the Kabulis and Panjsheris riled up about Pakistan. The fact of the matter is that Pakistan took a lot of low blows for these very same chaps that are sitting in Kabul and bad mouthing us. All of them had homes and business in Pakistan and they waited out the bloody war. Once all was over they went back in only to find out that ruling Pashtuns (who by now had become to be known as Taliban) could care less about them. Thus they aligned against the Pashtuns and you have the mess that you see now in the form of them blasting Pakistan at every opportunity.
One simple questions is, if to this day the Afghan government is so heavily tilted against the Pashtuns and all of the fighting going on is in Pashtun lands, then why should Pakistan go on a limb for these chaps and anger 40 million Pashtuns in Pakistan?
At the end of the day, Pakistanis are fed up with the anti-Pakistaniat in Kabul and the areas dominated by the incest-loving Panjsheris. We know the people whom we are supporting and we have ethnic and cultural linkages with them. We can't make everyone happy, so we will do what we must to keep ourselves aligned with those who see eye to eye with us.
Pakistanis have quite a few gripes about some of the Afghans too so it matters little as to what the ANA and police chaps in Kabul have to say about Pakistan.
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