Pakistan's real terrorism problem
By Ahsan Butt
Friday, September 23, 2011 - 5:12 PM
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The brutal, execution-style attack on Shi'a Muslims in the Mastung area of Baluchistan this week was, at once, debilitating, shocking, and instructive.
It was debilitating because it reminded observers and Pakistanis alike that the threat of indiscriminate violence Pakistanis face as a result of domestic militant groups shows no signs of abating.
It was shocking because even by the standards of Pakistani society, where violence is accepted with nonchalance -- or "resilience," depending on your point of view -- the attack represented a new low, mainly because of the method of the killings. As multiple reports have indicated, the militants stopped a bus en route to Iran, forced the pilgrims off, lined them by the side of the road, and shot them. As Dawn noted in its editorial on the killings, the attack showed a "descent into new depths of savagery."
Finally, it was instructive because it shed light on the precise nature of the militant threat the Pakistani state and society face, and the long-term struggle ahead to adequately address the threat.
Since Pakistan's alliance with the United States after 9/11 -- I use the term "alliance" loosely here -- Pakistanis have borne extremely high levels of violence; some 35,000 civilians, police and military officials have perished in the last seven years. Within the country, this has led to a sharp debate about the origins of the violence, and the advisability of the partnership with America.
The dominant narrative within Pakistan is that this war is not "our war"; that Pakistani leaders, both military and civilian, have allied with the United States out of a combination of greed and pusillanimity; that the militant violence directed at the Pakistani state and society would not have occurred had Pakistan not signed on to do America's bidding in its war; and that the solution to the terrorist threat lies in the U.S. exiting the region.
The proposition that the death toll from terrorism would be lower had Pakistan not gotten involved in the U.S. war in Afghanistan is likely accurate. But to take that to mean that Pakistan would have been a peaceful society without U.S. intervention in the region is a step too far.
The gruesome events on Tuesday demonstrate this truth, because groups such as Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, which claimed responsibility for the attack, existed well before 9/11 and will exist well after the U.S. draws down in Afghanistan. Indeed, rather than being strictly being an anti-American group, LeJ's raison d'être is primarily sectarian -- they are an offshoot of the Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan, itself an anti-Shi'a terrorist group. The notion that groups such as LeJ did not threaten Pakistanis until the military and civilian leadership allied with the United States rests on a very narrow understanding of "Pakistani." Shi'a still count as Pakistani, despite the efforts of groups such as SSP and LeJ.
For more than fifteen years, LeJ has carried out attacks against Pakistani religious minorities. In April 2010, the group was responsible for a bombing in Quetta - in a hospital, no less - which killed 11 people. That same month, two LeJ female suicide bombers blew themselves up at a relief camp for internal refugees who were waiting to get registered and receive food, reportedly because Shi'a were receiving food aid. In September 2010, the group was responsible for a suicide bomb and grenade attack in Lahore, targeting a Shi'a procession that killed more than 40 people. This year alone, LeJ has been behind at least four different attacks on Hazara Shi'a in Baluchistan, resulting in dozens of casualties. And this is just a sample of the group's activities in recent times.
LeJ is an extremely daring and dangerous organization. In the late 1990s, then-Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif ordered a crackdown on it, a move that invited assassination attempts against him. In Pakistan: Eye of the Storm, Owen Bennett-Jones reports a remarkable incident of the group's reach:
The police were told that anyone who managed to arrest or kill Riaz Basra [then head of LeJ] would be given a 5 million-rupee award.
Despite this, the security forces proved incapable of controlling the militants' activities. Riaz Basra showed his contempt for the police's capabilities when he turned up at one of Nawaz Sharif's political surgeries [meetings with party supporters]. Having slipped in with the petitioners who wanted to see the prime minister, Basra positioned himself directly behind Nawaz Sharif and got one of his accomplices to take a picture. Three days later staff at the prime minister's house received a print of the photograph. The faces of Sharif and Basra, within a few feet of each other, had been circled and underneath there was an inscription: ‘It's that easy.'
Those claiming that widespread terrorism in Pakistan is solely a result of U.S. involvement in the region cannot address the existence of groups such as LeJ. Essentially all militant groups operating in Pakistan today, including LeJ, Lashkar-e-Taiba, and Jaish-e-Muhammad, existed in some form before the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan. That their activities were less widespread before Pakistan backed the United States is neither here nor there, because their very existence on Pakistani soil should be intolerable to Pakistani citizens and the state.
Unfortunately, the aftermath of the Tuesday attack itself sends a signal of the state's woeful capabilities in tackling groups such as LeJ. The organization's leader, Malik Ishaq, was meekly placed under house arrest for ten days due to "security reasons," and authorities followed the next day by placing his key aide Ghulam Rasool Shah under house arrest as well. Malik Ishaq was released from prison earlier this year, despite having 44 court cases against him (he was acquitted in 34, and granted bail in 10). His release was due to a lack of evidence.
Though outsiders may scoff at a publicly recognizable leader of a terrorist group not having sufficient evidence tying him to murder, it is actually quite understandable for those more aware of ground realities in Pakistan. First, witnesses are scared to death -- literally -- of coming forward and testifying. Second, judges themselves are unsafe, and afraid of handing out guilty verdicts in high-profile terrorism cases. Third, police procedures, investigative techniques and equipment are not advanced enough to tie individuals to specific incidents; even if police forces in an area know exactly who is behind a particular incident, proving it in a court of law is not easy, especially since Pakistan's anti-terrorism laws remain flawed. Fourth, there exists a baseline of sympathy for such organizations and their actions even amongst the "educated" legal community, as the reaction to the Salman Taseer assassination so eloquently showed.
All this is to suggest that, unfortunately, the terrorism problem in Pakistan is not going to disappear as U.S. forces leave Afghanistan. To the contrary, it will take dedicated work and long-term reform in the Pakistani legal system, the courts, and the police to rid the country of this scourge.
Most pertinent of all, the Pakistani military must abandon the analytical distinction between "good" and "bad" militant groups, as well as abandoning the hope that "good" militant groups can fulfill regional strategic objectives, such as bringing India to the negotiating table on Kashmir or attaining "strategic depth" in Afghanistan. If nothing else, the last decade should have put paid to that theory of national interest. Notwithstanding the security establishment's desire to play favorites, the array of militant groups in Pakistan have a lot more that unites them than divides them. Indeed, LeJ -- to take one relevant example -- has deep connections with the Pakistani Taliban as well as al-Qaeda, both of whom have used extraordinary levels of violence against Pakistani targets. The idea that the state can take on one set of elements and leave others untouched is, in the medium- and long-term, completely fanciful.
Ahsan Butt is a Ph.D. candidate in political science at the University of Chicago and blogs at Five Rupees.
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I have been watching Pakistani channels and ALL the anchors and almost ALL the guests firmly believe that these terrorist acts are somehow sponsored by "foreign powers" aka the USA. The level of delusion is incredible and is likely to be fatal.
I wrote this comment on the New Yorker website, but it seems relevant here:
I dont think US policymakers have (even now) a sufficient notion of what the problem is, a solution therefore seems unlikely.
In a different world, the US would admit it is in over its head and would pull out very quickly and let the locals and various regional powers fight it out. It will be extremely nasty in the region, but at least the US will not be directly involved.
Since it is actually unlikely that the US is ready to just pull out and leave the entire region to its own devices (what kind of worldcop would do that?), the most likely thing is that we will see more of the same. GHQ understands the US better than the US understands GHQ.
Unless some miracle has happened, it is the US that is likely to find itself being frustrated and blundering from friend to enemy to friend with no good plan either way. Making loud noises (the current accusations would normally constitute an act of war) while searching for a way to get out without humiliation. Pakistan will hurt even more, but the elite will hurt less than the common people in the short term..the elite will probably find new sources of cash (China? Saudi Arabia?...not as generous and careless with money as Uncle Sam, but good enough for bad times) . Poor people will suffer horribly, but who cares about them? Eventually, the elite will also go down (or escape to the big bad United States), probably still complaining about Zionist-Hindu-American plots until someone pries the microphone from their cold dead hands..but it will be an unpleasant mess and a long drawn out death, not a clean and clear "endgame". Too pessimistic?
I think the main casualties of an early US withdrawal will be US self-esteem and Pakistan's well being. India can get pulled in, but if they are really smart about it (OK, thats not the most likely course they will take) then they can survive with relatively little damage. There is no way Pakistan can make it out safely once the US leaves.
In short, the Pakistani generals seem to think that the US is their main problem and once the US is gone (an eventuality they seriously expect very soon because they all seem to believe the US is on the verge of a historic economic collapse) they will be in Chinese heaven. I think they are wrong. Their problems will get much worse..but not necessarily right away.
Questions That Mass Media Should Ask
Questions that Mass Media Should Investigate. What Kind of War is This?
In the past 10 years, the total Americans killed in the so-called war in Afghanistan is just 1,700. That's a mere 170 men a year! While these losses are tragic, this indicates that there is little fighting going on. 47% of American forces are contractors. This is not a war, it's a business.
How many enemies that were involved in the 9/11 attacks did we kill, or total opponents?
How many battles did we win?
What's the strategy for winning?
If we win, what are we winning?
Who will pay the $5 trillion war debt for a phony war against a few hundred terrorists?
If we are at war with the terrorists, why is the Mexican border open? Millions if illegal aliens invaders and criminals have crossed it since 9/11 how many are terrorists?
If we are at war, why have we imported 1.5 million legal aliens annually, many from the Muslim countries that we are supposedly at war with?
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Pakistan’s self-created terrorism problem
Pakistan created and nurtured this terrorism problem on its own.
Let us examine some facts:
1. Nobody forced Pakistani government to facilitate relocation of Osama bin Laden from Sudan to Afghanistan in 1996. Benazir Bhutto’s democratic government of Pakistan chose to do so of its own free will.
2. As Sandy Berger, Clinton’s national security advisor told 9/11 Commission in 2004, Pakistani Army was the midwife of Taliban. UN report on Bhutto killing released on 4/15/10 confirmed this fact when it noted that "The PAKISTANI MILITARY ORGANIZED AND SUPPORTED THE TALIBAN TO TAKE CONTROL OF AFGHANISTAN IN 1996“. So in a way, Pakistani government was in charge of Afghanistan when 9/11 attacks were carried out and hence Pakistani government was responsible for those attacks.
3. Declassified DIA Washington D.C., "IIR (intelligence Information Report) Pakistan Involvement in Afghanistan," dated November 7, 1996 states how "Pakistan's ISI is heavily involved in Afghanistan," and also details different roles various ISI officers play in Afghanistan. Stating that Pakistan uses sizable numbers of its Pashtun-based Frontier Corps in Taliban-run operations in Afghanistan, the document clarifies that, "these Frontier Corps elements are utilized in command and control; training; and when necessary combat“.
4. Declassified U.S. Department of State, Cable "Pakistan Support for Taliban" from Islamabad dated Sept. 26, 2000 states that "while Pakistani support for the Taliban has been long-standing, the magnitude of recent support is unprecedented." In response Washington orders the U.S. Embassy in Islamabad to immediately confront Pakistani officials on the issue and to advise Islamabad that the U.S. has "seen reports that Pakistan is providing the Taliban with materiel, fuel, funding, technical assistance and military advisors. [The Department] also understand[s] that large numbers of Pakistani nationals have recently moved into Afghanistan to fight for the Taliban, apparently with the tacit acquiescence of the Pakistani government." Additional reports indicate that direct Pakistani involvement in Taliban military operations has increased.
5. Pakistani ISI Director General Mahmud Ahmad had asked Omar Sheikh (the kidnapper of Daniel Pearl) to send $100,000 from a Dubai bank account to Mohammed Atta (the lead 9/11 hijacker) one year before those attacks. Mohammad Atta used that $100,000 for flight training, living expenses and to purchase flight tickets on the day of 9/11 attacks in US and returned unspent $25,000 back to same Dubai account. Musharraf was forced to retire ISI director General Mahmud Ahmad after Wall Street Journal exposed General Ahmad as the chief financier of 9/11 attacks. Pakistani ISI was heavily involved in planning of 9/11 attacks as corroborated by former Senate Intelligence Committee
military operations has increased.
5. Pakistani ISI Director General Mahmud Ahmad had asked Omar Sheikh (the kidnapper of Daniel Pearl) to send $100,000 from a Dubai bank account to Mohammed Atta (the lead 9/11 hijacker) one year before those attacks. Mohammad Atta used that $100,000 for flight training, living expenses and to purchase flight tickets on the day of 9/11 attacks in US and returned unspent $25,000 back to same Dubai account. Musharraf was forced to retire ISI director General Mahmud Ahmad after Wall Street Journal exposed General Ahmad as the chief financier of 9/11 attacks. Pakistani ISI was heavily involved in planning of 9/11 attacks as corroborated by former Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Bob Graham.
So in a way, Pakistani government was in charge of Afghanistan when 9/11 attacks were carried out and hence Pakistani government was responsible for those attacks.
Pakistani ISI planned and executed the whole 9/11 attack to teach US a lesson for US refusing to deliver F-16 jet fighters during 1990s after Pakistan had already paid for them.
Bush administration decided to whitewash Pakistan’s role in 9/11 attacks after forcing Pakistan to join US fight against terrorism against its own wishes.
So Pakistan decided to play a duplicitous game of running with the terrorist hares while hunting with the American hounds. Poor US can not even use its aid leverage to force Pakistan to stop sheltering Haqqani’s HQN in North Waziristan and Mullah Omar’s QST in Quetta who kill US/NATO troops day in and day out in Afghanistan because US needs Pakistan help in ferrying supplies to those very troops!
Previous US ambassador Anne Patterson to Pakistan, wrote in a secret review in 2009 that ‘Pakistan's Army and ISI are covertly sponsoring four militant groups - Haqqani‘s HQN, Mullah Omar‘s QST, Al Qaeda and LeT - and will not abandon them for any amount of US money‘, as diplomatic cables released by WikiLeaks show.
Ambassador Patterson had NO reason to mislead her own State Department and U. S. government.
How can Pakistan be threatened by Islamic fundamentalists when Pakistani Army, ISI and even civilian government are SPONSORING those very Islamic fundamentalists led by Osama bin Laden’s Al Qaeda, Mullah Omar’s QST, Haqqani’s HQN and Hafiz Saeed’s LeT and will NOT abandon them for any amount of US money as reported by Ambassador Patterson?
Leaders in Pak must determine if they really want peace in Pak. If answer is unequivocal yes, then find out if they have any hope of retrieving the current generation of Suicide Bombers. If not, please create an environment to create more intelligent next generation. For this, you will need to detoxify your educational system. For example, “B” must not stand for “Bomb” and “G” for “Gun”. Start with improving curricula of Grade 1 to 5 and then annually improve syllabi of Grade 6 onwards and students of Grade 5 move ahead. Even terrorist organisation will not notice such subtle changes.
Give unceremonious death to all that stands for Gen Zia Ul Haque. For example, blank piece of paper, if written with Allah, must not be worthy of death sentence. When future generations add more chapters to the history of Pakistan, Gen Zia will be recognized as the person who wrecked Pakistan completely.
Tall order? At the very least, lawyers must not celebrate the assassination of Mr. Salmaan Taseer. You can expect at least this much maturity from educated people.
We certainly must, and this section of society must deliver at least this much if country is to hope to move forward even one inch.
The Process of Self Destruction was pushed ahead by ZA Bhutto
It was ZA Bhutto, who pushed Pakistan to the stage of perpetual self destruction by conceptualizing and activating the Operation Gibraltar to complete the unfinished agenda of 1947. He was a west educated aristocrat propped by Gen Ayub to become the foreign minister of Pakistan.
But unfortunately he remained a closet Islamist who also loved to mouth empty socialist slogans.
It was ZA Bhutto, who promoted rabid Islamist General Zia Ul Haq to take over Pakistani Army, assuming that Zia will remain servile to him forever.
To strengthen his political power by placating insular Mullahs, ZA Bhutto had also started the process of religious fanaticism and obscurantism by declaring Ahmedias as non Muslims.
It was again ZA Bhutto who shamelessly exploited defeat of Pakistan in 1965 to grab power and later acted like a demonic dedicator by killing, imprisoning and torturing his opponents and former aids.
Today's Jihadi Pakistan owes most of its mayhem and troubles, sowed by omissions and commissions of greedy megalomaniac charlatan civilian dictator ZA Bhutto.
Nation above all, even above religion
Pakistani leadership and citizens must realize that nation's progress is over and above everything else. Religion comes, at best, distant second. Citizens must prefer 2-ends meal even when religion is absolutely personal matter. But Pakistan has a long way to go from the current state where Gen Kiyani is convinced that terrorists are strategic asset.
Pity Pakistan as a nation.
The Article Only Paddles Half Truths and Blatant Subterfuge
Ahsan Bhutt only tries to paddle the well entrenched Pakistani narrative of evil influences and acts of sinister foreign forces and tolerable small internal problems.
Pakistan is only reaping the fatal consequences of its own making, the huge harvest of violence and bloodshed.
Who forced Pakistani rulers to promote religious extremism and use of terrorism as a foreign policy tool?
Who told them to side with Afghanistan agenda of uncle Sam. Rather jumping like small kids power elite of Pakistan went on to activate and execute long cherished down agenda by wholeheartedly inviting, training and helping Pashtun war lords and others like Osama Bin Laden to take over Kabul and be a colony of Pakistan.
If the bruised Americans go away, Pakistan itself might come under rule of bearded-turbaned religious fanatics waging the eventual war for the much awaited and desired Islamic Caliphate the world over.
There might a powerful and charismatic Jihadi Pakistani General with equally motivated radicalized officers, waiting in wings to take the charge and even fire a gloated Nuke towards India to establish his hardened Islamic credentials.
The writer has conveniently singled out only one attack on Shia minority by Lashkar e Jhanghvi and describes other Lashkars like LeT and JeM with kid gloves, as if they had reasons and objective to exist, being funded and promoted by the myopic Pakistani state for its age old lunatic agenda..
Highly educated young men of Pakistani origin or trained in Pakistan have left terror marks all over the world and will continue to do so because of the huge terror infrastructure diligently created, facilitated and helped to wage war for Islam the world over. The increasingly insular and deeply fanaticism breeding Pakistani society idolized demented Islamist like Zaid Hamid, Hafiz Saed, Maulana Masud Azhar and other teeming fanatics waiting for die for Islam, punish and kill the despicable non believers, the world over.
Next phase of this madness is about to begin. May be the motivated Jihadis are busy screwing last nuts and bolt of a dreaded nuclear 9/11 plot.
Pakistan has been thoroughly disappointed by the educated class. How else to explain the whole of Pakistan celebrating the assassination of Governor Salman Taseer?
Not sure when Allah from High Heavens will smile on Pakistan and shower His generosity..
Dear Ahsan,
You might be right from your perspective but trust me had it not been for war on terror, Pakistan would have been flourishing the way it earlier was. It is just an assumption or say a conspiracy theory that you have put forward but the incidents that you have mentioned do not support your argument well. These extremist groups/ separatist movements go on in all the nations of today. Its not a very new concept but remember evil prevails as you try suppressing it by force. With due respect to your views, I disagree on the hypothesis of your article since it hasn't been supported with adequate evidence. And by the way, USA's strategy for its intellectual community writing about Pakistan - US seems very evident now. They want to eradicate the impression that Pakistan faces worse situation today because of war on terror. They want the world to know that Pakistan itself, is a terrorist state (which you wouldn't agree to, if you have actually lived there). And added to that, it is very evident that US, for this purpose, is primarily benefitting from the Pakistani grads from their intellectual schools. Clever move but not clever enough for sure. Remember if US gave you the dergee, Pakistan must also have given you something. You owe a bit to Pakistan as well ;)
Dear Ahsan,
You might be right from your perspective but trust me had it not been for war on terror, Pakistan would have been flourishing the way it earlier was. It is just an assumption or say a conspiracy theory that you have put forward but the incidents that you have mentioned do not support your argument well. These extremist groups/ separatist movements go on in all the nations of today. Its not a very new concept but remember evil prevails as you try suppressing it by force. With due respect to your views, I disagree on the hypothesis of your article since it hasn't been supported with adequate evidence. And by the way, USA's strategy for its intellectual community writing about Pakistan - US seems very evident now. They want to eradicate the impression that Pakistan faces worse situation today because of war on terror. They want the world to know that Pakistan itself, is a terrorist state (which you wouldn't agree to, if you have actually lived there). And added to that, it is very evident that US, for this purpose, is primarily benefitting from the Pakistani grads from their intellectual schools. Clever move but not clever enough for sure. Remember if US gave you the dergee, Pakistan must also have given you something. You owe a bit to Pakistan as well ;)
Try reading between the lines. USA is trying to make us unfocused so that we start pointing fingers not at US, but Pakistan itself. Let your judgement intervene. Don't agree to whatever view you read but ANALYZE!
for smaller benefits, they ignore greater cause!
Pakistani Rulers Love Conflicts, Violence, War and Terrorism
Saeeda,
It high time, the educated and well meaning Pakistanis start accepting the truth, instead of obsessively pointing fingers at others.
America like a huge magnet pull talented and energetic people from all over the world.
Pakistan does not have any monopoly over feeding its huge appetite for right kind of people. Now q days it is getting very difficult for a talented Pakistani to go for education or job in west for well known reasons-suspicion of being an Islamic fanatic and a terrorist.
BTW Pakistani rulers have always worked over time to achieve this kind of negativity and unworthy status for the Pakistanis.
Let us first separate the ordinary Pakistani and the megalomaniac Power Elite made of Army/ISI, stinking rich feudal charlatans, insular-fanatic Mullah-hate mongers, highly corrupt non tax paying feeble civilian leaders and their teeming cohorts.
Many Pakistani commentators and writers have written about long term dangers of incubating and nurturing religious discrimination, hate and megalomania taught to small kids through hateful school curriculum.
Nothing has been done to undo that poisonous spoon feeding, because the mad Mullah wouldn't not allow it at all.
Why is so that no one could dare to undo what that Fanatic Islamist General Zia did to Pakistani education along with promotion of acutely religious obscurantism and fanaticism?
Why it so that likes of Osama Bin Laden, Mullah Omar, Hafiz Saed, Maulana Masud Azhar and hate spewing religious nuts like Ziad Hamid are accorded iconic status in Pakistan?
Why Pakistani rulers give safe sanctuary to about hundred of identified terrorists, killers, drug lords, war lords, sea pirates, money launderers, hate preachers from across the world?
Pakistani Rulers have always Loved conflicts, violence, war and Terrorism to achieve their lunatic strategic depth objectives in Kashmir, Afghanistan and beyond. They have hardly worked for benefit of the citizens and integration with the world at large by espousing the modern ethos and aspirations.
No one forced Pakistan to attack India four times to wrest Kashmir, but the myopic Pakistani rulers started the madness with in few month of partition, as if the almighty god have given them right to do any thing to get Kashmir at as soon as possible.
After 1971, They focused on and waged a low intensity covert war to harm and bleed India by 1000 cuts through pushing trained terrorists.
However it is another matter that the bumbling interior Minister of Pakistan Rahman Mallik every time asks the world about the proof of linking any terror strike in the world with Pakistan.
But does any proof mean any thing at all?
Will Pakistanis be brave and honest enough to accept the horrendous truth and do some thing about it?
Unfortunately, so far that has not happened and its getting difficult for them as the thugs and terrorists are getting more bold and powerful in a country, which has been led to disasters by myopic rulers having taste for bloodshed, conflict and mayhem.
...Taken in the spirit but talk of truth, not mirage...
Dear VISIONTUNNEL,
I wish I could address you with your actual identity and know which area of the earth you belong to so that it was easy to assess your rationality with the comments. Anyway, its your right to keep it secret if the disguise is necessary. But remember, never fear anybody when you are fighting for truth, my advice. I respect your opinion even as an unknown individual. Analyzing your opinion I'd like to ask you if it is really your belief, in other words, that its high time when the intellectual society of Pakistan 'hypothesize' negative truths about their land to generate more anarchy, aye? Or do you have any believe in the fact that being an intellectual yourself if you are that is, that the educated and the well aware societies of a country have always been responsible for making & breaking her? Do you realize what responsibility lies on the shoulders of an average or say intellectual writer of our country to unite us all in this turmoil situation or you believe in randomizing facts just to add another dimension & yet another spice to it, much like today's media that mainly works for money, not any cause.
The truth is America's huge magnet has some special attraction for us Muslims or probably her negativity pulls our positivity much strongly to it or vice versa. I'd want to have two or say three examples supporting your argument of attracting talent from all over the world to write against their countries since I believe in facts, not rhetoric.
Point two, its only today that Pakistanis are being scrutinized by the West for being a jihadist or say terrorist. Do you have any quotable example of such a case prior to 9/11/2001 when a Pakistani was questioned like this? I am not talking of history, my friend, I'm just asking you for an example from this previous decade.
Okay, I agree with you on the point that you take against the Pakistani politicians being destructive for the nation but what would you like to say about USA's intentions in this regard? You believe she never aimed at bringing Pakistan to this sensitive point knowing the fact that she has always followed an expansionist theory, getting hold of lands of her interest by means of unauthorized use of force. You believe their aren't any people who sold their conscience to US for paper money. No you wouldn't agree, right?!
Why divide Pakistani society in two extremes when this divide exists in the entire international community & when it exists in every country of the world today. Why are you creating or harping on the same string of this divide markedly, in case of Pakistan?
Now you talk of religious discrimination. What do you think of other age-old discriminations of the world. The discriminations not only based on religion but ideologies, too. As for example the The Crusades' ideology, Jewish extremism against Palestine, The Hindus against Muslims & Sikhs, The Sikhs against Muslims & Hindus, Budhist extremism, Communist extremism, Capitalism Extremism, Socialist Extremism, Sectarian extremism even within religions, Shia-Sunni Extremism in many countries of the world, Shoodar-Brahman extremism in Hindumat and if you can think of any other religion existing today you will see its own extremist group, both existing side by side. Pakistan's religious extremism was found just in the North Western Frontier Province. We owe our thanks to the US government for that too, for using Afghanistan against Soviets and asking us to make the AfPak border porous for refugee settlement! Remember Pakistan has FOUR different provinces. Balochistan, Sindh & Punjab had no apparent religious extremism, sindh rather to be more apt Karachi being a target of sectarianism at times. Then again, the term sectarianism was not invented by Pakistanis, it has always been in the world and still exists.
You say nothing has been done to deal with the Mullahs? Can you vividly recall when did the Mullahs actually surface? Have you forgotten the Laal Masjid Operation leading to an unknown number of deaths including innocent people. Why do you have a US undertone in your statements for Pakistan to ' DO MORE ' ??!!
I'm really sorry to see your lack of knowledge about General Zia and his pseudo-Islamism. Its a well known fact that US was dictating that guy and Islam was just being used as a cover story to earn popular support at that time. This is the VERY reason nobody could touch him till the time US needed him no more. Sigh! bitter facts!
And dude, after having a good laugh i'd ask you what iconic status was given to Bin Laden & his likes in Pakistan? Rather if again I tell you a fact, OBL was created by US, used by him for as long as they needed & got disappeared like a genie disappears in a fairy-tale in a strategically sensitive area of Pakistan. Media eyewash I call it and I respect your independence to have your opinion about it, based on facts, figures & nothing but the truth.
And what safe sanctuary are you pointing to? Can you identify the specific incident please, for my knowledge and better understanding.
About Indo-Pak wars do not even get me started. Do you know it for a fact what rights, equipments, monetary support etc were given to Pakistan when that part of the world divided? I reiterate, do you actually know Pakistan was left in such a vulnerable condition that was questioning its very independence, that too on purpose by the British Empire's understanding with India. When your rights are being usurped, you have to fight for it this is the basic rule of humanity.
And I'd pose a question to you as a response to what you have asked as ' does any fact matter at all?' I ask you ' Have they EVER provided any solid, in-hand fact with proof that we can accept and say yes! it is we who are at the wrong?! Have They?! Always remember, the truth comes out in light no matter how much you want to hide it.
I'd advice you not to play with the sentiments of an average innocent Pakistani in the name of 'truth encounter'.
Don't blame it to Pakistan, Blame it to US, the biggest terrorist on the face of earth who has once used her nuclear capabilities to bomb some part of this world ruthlessly and very blindly. Today this very country question's others on what basis? Do you have an answer to this query/ concern of mine?
Future Directions of Pakistan; Arguments no help
It will be useful if people and leaders of Pakistan plan future directions rather than continue to argue who is right or wrong. As it so happens, Pakistan is a country where Key Performance Indicators (KPIs) are so easy to define. Could leaders, for example, reduce or stop the supplies or Human Bombs? Could you reduce the number of people killed in violent activities? Could you reduce external debt, improve economic condition in the country? Could you make people mature enough not to celebrate the assassination of the likes of Salman Taseer? Could you reduce military spending as a percentage of GDP? Intelligent leaders can surely make more exhaustive list prioritized to align with the urgency of Pakistan.
For a change, please keep this activity list independent of whatever India does or does not do.
These are all for the benefit of Pakistan people. But, Pakistani people have to first learn to accept that nation is above all and religion is, at best, distant second. Detoxify your school books accordingly.
By the way, I am from India and happened to access this article from Ambassador Haqqani's tweet. Pardon me if you did not like something.
Pakistani Leaders - offered their country for destruction
One more point. While it is true that America did so much harm to Pakistan. But at the end of the day, Pakistani leaders are to share the blame. People of Pakistan are facing so much of hardship.
In this world of international politics, it is being selfish to the core. President Reagan was looking for some sacrificial goat in Pakistan. Unfortunately, Pakistan happened to have worst leaders at the worst place at the worst time.
Now, people of Pakistan are carrying the can of worms.
But, you have to now look forward. It will not make your pain any less, no matter who caused it.
Sorry but that is the truth.
I'd like to take you a little back in time since you are making things springing out of nowhere. I think you haven't read much about the term 'Mujahideen' of the modern era or probably you, due to your sheer inclination for blaming it to the face of Pakistan, are ignoring that on purpose. I don't find it appropriate for our age group, but to let you know I'd like you to have the much needed sermon on history of Mujahideens (though it makes me feel like a kid, but never mind! anything to enlighten anybody). The modern jihadism goes back to the 1960s. It originated NOT in Pakistan but in Afghanistan & it was instigated and oiled NOT by Pakistan but USA. Osama Bin Laden at that time was suspected to be one of the major recipients of arms NOT by Pakistan but USA. CIA, on document, is known to have provided these so-called Mujahideens with billion of dollars of arms( i call them 'so-called Mujahideen' since they were people who were fighting for a political cause, not a religious cause and they were given the name Mujahideens for disguise and hence, such a bad name brought to our peaceful religion Islam. Mujahid is the term used for a person who fights for the sake of Allah & Islam & that too, not blindly! There are certain prerequisites and that too, rational ones. Our religion teaches us co-existance like many other religions. I can not start on religion since its not the point of debate) . I hope you can well analyze USA was NOT providing them with arms to fight for Islam but it was a Capitalist fighting against Socialist. I am breaking these things down so that you can know the basis. I hope you are well aware of the Ronald Doctrine in this regard and laugh at the fact that these 'Mujahideens', when fighting against a pro-Soviet democratic regime of Afghanistan were called as 'freedom fighters' by Ronald Reagan. Don't forget, these Mujahideens were also killing people back then as well, the difference was the innocent people being killed were not US citizens but Soviets & Afghans and getting them killed was prime interrest of USA. US instigated soviet intervention of Afghanistan by these acton to meet their policy purposes. Jimmy Carter's NSA has documented it by saying that Afghan Mujahids were getting aid from US prior to the Soviet invasion, to instigate it on purpose. So in other words these Mujahideen's were fighting a proxy war for US (US staying behind the scene like always not to bring a bad name to herself or probably she is too coward to confront her enemies herself). And by the way, as a result to this invasion TWO MILLION Afghans died out of which who knows how many were innocent. Keep in mind that these mujahideens who were termed as freedom fighters by one nation were the terrorists for another and they were no less than today's so called mujahideens of today at all, as today these mujahideens are helping again US, to meet her expansionist thoery. USA supported afghan mujahideen as it was in her national interest back then. She did not think of the rights and wrongs and today, when she has majority of her interests met, the earlier known freedom fighters are now declared terrorist to meet the next policy agenda i.e. to expand USA's influence in the world and rule more countries esp. Muslim countries to secure its equally evil child, Israel. My dear USA, the so called proponent of peace and you, Mr. Singh, buy her to be one despite all these facts. What a pity.
Pakistani borders were again being used by USA for providing aid to the the Mujahideens/ freedom fighters and now called millitants/ islamic terrorists of Afghanistan. It was an era of cold war keep that in mind & the world was divided into two strong poles, Pakistan being a weak ally like many other countries had to succumb to the orders of US. The jihadists' infiltrated in Pakistan as a result of settling afghan refugees, another action of our so-called islamist government of that time, under US pressure.
So now, who do you blame for the creation of these terrorists? Who began this game of spreading terror by using them? Who was benefitted the most by these islamists as the bipolar world ended? Was it Pakistan? When you needed them, they were freedom fighters and today to meet your next policy agenda, you turn term them as terrorists?. No wonder international politics has no justice but BLIND and i'm much dismayed to see that its so easy to manipulate intellects today, although they have the entire history in front of them but they also believe in blind justice by choosing references that suit them. Sigh! Its a sorry sight to watch truth going down the drain in this politically motivated world.
Take this as a rational, unbiased point of reference if you want to base your argument on facts. (if ever that is.) He's a man from education sector, not politics!
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Afghanistan/Afghanistan_CIA_Taliban.html
Myopic Pakistani Army wants to Colonize Afghanistan
JAN Z. VOLENS,
Your assumptions about India using Afghanistan as a mere future defense and retaliatory attack against Pakistan are untenable.
As a sovereign Country, the government and people of Afghanistan must be left alone to decide what kind of relations and friends they want to have.
But that is not acceptable to trigger happy-duplicitous-nuke gloating-myopic Pakistani Army, the instigator, incubator and promoter of Islamic terrorism, religious hate, antagonism, insecurity, mayhem and conflicts in the region and beyond.
The well dressed and wealth flaunting numb skull civilian rulers of Pakistan have no desire, ability and freedom to make and execute foreign policy objectives.
Foreign Policy of so called Democratic Pakistan is made by its trigger happy -war mongering-Jihadi Army and its spooky Arm ISI.
It was head of ISI, who helped Omar Shaikh sent 100,000 to Mohammed Atta, the lead 9/11 attacker.
Pakistani army is a rouge, Mafia like greedy and violent organization, which controls most of things in Pakistan.
After Osama Bin Laden was killed, the Pakistani Parliament dutifully supported and endorsed ISI as an institution of great national importance and prestige.
The ISI spooks used the occasion to gloat over, give great strength and satisfaction to the august assembly of wise Parliamentarians that, the missiles aimed at at India are always in ready to fire made.
Don't be surprised if any highly motivated Jihadi General of Pakistani Army gifts couple of small nuke they have developed, to detonate some where, to blackmail the world and enhance their fanatic credential and prestige in world of teeming Islamic Fanatics.
Finally that I have figured out your identity to be what I was expecting it to be, I would like to take the opportunity to address you by your name.
Mr Singh,
I don't want to sound any harsh but on a serious note, your comments do not mean much but they exhibit a very vivid show of your blinded by hatred attitude towards Pakistan. I wouldn't blame you for it since it runs in the country.
Keep your cool,
Stay happy,
Saeeda.
Pak leaders must worry about your people..
Saeeda,
Please ignore whatever Indians think about Pakistan. It will not help improve the conditions of Pakistanis.
For the future, Pakistani leaders must work 24x7 to ensure betterment of Pakistani people. Involve people in the process.
It will be a new dawn in Pakistan if leaders were to be able to make Army under control of civilian government. In my letter to Dawn some time ago, I had written that litmus test will be if civilian government is able enforce planned retirement date of General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani.
Trust me, no external forces, least of all Indian government, has anything to do with the extension given to Gen Kayani.
But, then Pakistan will have to work really hard to even start its journey towards rectifying all mess created in the past.
Wish you all the best
I really appreciate and respect your well wishes for us Pakistanis. Pakistan's current predicament, indeed, is a reap of our sell-out politicians bought by the US. I totally agree with you. I seriously don't care whoever thinks whatever otherwise but its about my home, my integrity being questioned in public so I think its my duty to talk of the facts and nothing but truth. I can not let anybody insult my land for being Pakistan. US can be an international terrorist just because it is US and it has all rights reserved and nobody says a word about that.
After Jinnah, we are still waiting for a good, truthful leadership and trust me, we are still not hopeless. With well wishers like yourself, we sure will rise again soon hopefully.
Prayers,
Saeeda
I really appreciate and respect your well wishes for us Pakistanis. Pakistan's current predicament, indeed, is a reap of our sell-out politicians bought by the US. I totally agree with you. I seriously don't care whoever thinks whatever otherwise but its about my home, my integrity being questioned in public so I think its my duty to talk of the facts and nothing but truth. I can not let anybody insult my land for being Pakistan. US can be an international terrorist just because it is US and it has all rights reserved and nobody says a word about that.
After Jinnah, we are still waiting for a good, truthful leadership and trust me, we are still not hopeless. With well wishers like yourself, we sure will rise again soon hopefully.
Prayers,
Saeeda
Working hard for the better...
In recent agitation led by Anna Hazare in Delhi, my Anna told us that we should have the strength to absorb insults hurled at us by others. We just cannot sit tight and keep shouting against others who hurled these insults. With lot of cache in pocket, Pak can all countries dance to its tune.
Now, Pakistan has very very difficult task to do. And I do not even get the impression in Delhi that Pakistani leaders are even interested in starting the job. Although I do not have the intellectual strength to advice Pak leaders but they have to start from somewhere.
For example, how could Pakistan stop or slow down factories that make hundreds of young people eager to go on suicide mission. People are getting killed in frequent violent incidents. What can be done? Critically look at the education system? What else?
Not sure if anyone critically thinks about betterment of financial systems. How does it compare with other priorities? Better employment to ensure that youth has work to do.
At the risk of stating the obvious, all leaders must take Nation as the first priority and religion, at best, be very distant second.
But it seems that Pakistani leader do not feel flexible enough to set their priorities right. They seem to be more than willing to sacrifice it all to preserve the religious fabric.
An environment must be created wherein living conditions of the people are not at variance with religious matters.
But, it seems to be easier said than done in the current circumstances.
Whats your take on Imran Khan?
I do not know enough about the work being done by Imran Khan. Therefore, please excuse me for not being able to make a direct comment on him.
But, here in India, we are fortunate enough to get a crop of leaders who are young and ready to sacrifice it all for the nation. For example, Arvind Kejriwal is 43 yrs old, graduate from IIT Khargpur. But he sacrificed all, set up so many NGOs, led so many social causes and was awarded Ramon Magsaysay Award. Same with Dr. Kiran Bedi, Justice Hegde and many more.
These are the people India trusts and millions march on road when asked, as happened during recent campaign under Anna Hazare (I feel so fulfilled for having joined this campaign in Delhi).
Now, Imran Khan must lead such social causes, create large number of youth who are ready to sacrifice it all for the nation. Pakistan is such a rich country with youth willing to die.
It is Imran Khan's challenge to make this youth die for the right cause. Die, not kill (Anna's sheer power of non-violence was on display. Govt will shiver when Anna talks next time).
Imran and/or anyone else must gain that much of trust and moral strength in Pakistan
Yes you are right. He is currently working hard on the first step, uniting the nation esp. the youth. He does a lot of charity work like e.g. recently for the flood victims and carries a good history in that. We are hoping for him to come in power Insha'Allah and bring that LONG AWAITED prosperous wave of change.
Imran Khan - Key Result Areas...??
It will be great if Imran Khan can do some kind of nation-wide survey of school kids. Find out the areas where education system must be changed.
He must understand the system that generates so many youth willing to go on suicide missions. And what can be done to improve the situation?
He must define list of top 5 tasks to build an environment that promotes peace within the country.
I'm forwarding your remarkable suggestion as we follow him on fb via his management team.
Thanks,
Regards,
Saeeda
I'm forwarding your remarkable suggestion as we follow him on fb via his management team.
Thanks,
Regards,
Saeeda
India named 50 most wanted hiding in Pak
Dear Saeeda,
I can only say, that you have decided to react in an expected way by not accepting and agreeing to plethora of well known facts put forward by various governments, investigation agencies, court depositions, interviews by diplomats, various books written on the subject and media reports.
Perhaps this kind of twisted nationalism has been repeatedly shown by troubled Pakistanis, belonging to an area, far beyond the realms of jingoism.
How ever, since you have expressed desire to know about the facts and names of terrorists hiding in Pakistan, I only reproduce a new paper report.
Incidentally due to bureaucratic bungling, two men mentioned in the list were found to be living in India.
Immediately Exploiting the weakness, Pakistani Rulers have debunked the list and denied about any Indian terrorists and criminal being hidden in Pakistan.
I hope you know that the Most Wanted Indian fugitive Dawood Ibrahim, hiding in Pakistan, had further strengthened his Pakistani connection by getting his eldest daughter Mahrukh Ibrahim engaged to Junaid Miandad, the eldest son of former Pakistani cricket captain Javed Miandad.
While Dawood attended the Karachi wedding function, he is believed to have avoided attending the Dubai reception because there was a "small matter" of the US State Department having dubbed him a "specially designated global terrorist" in October 2003 for his alleged links with the al-Qaeda.
While identifying him as a resident of the port city of Karachi, the subsequent red corner alert notice issued by the International Police (Interpol) even gave his telephone and Pakistani passport numbers.
India names 50 most wanted hiding in Pak
The list given to Pak mentions Dawood Ibrahim, 26/11 mastermind Hafiz Saeed & Zaki-ur-Rehman Lakhvi
Ajay Banerjee/TNS
New Delhi, May 11
A virtual blacklist of 50 most wanted terrorists, which includes hijackers, fugitives and even Pakistan army officers, has been handed over by New Delhi to Islamabad. The list has the names of men who have committed acts of terrorism in India in the past 20 years and are hiding in Pakistan or are being sheltered there.
The list was handed over to Pakistan in the last week of March at a meeting of the Home Secretaries. This list will add pressure on Pakistan as its role in sheltering slain Al-Qaida chief Osama bin Laden stands exposed now.
Notably, the list is not exhaustive by any yardstick. It lists out leaders of the Laskhar-e-Toiba, Khalistani militants, Mumbai attackers, hijackers of Indian Airlines flight IC 814 in 1999, Dawood Ibrahim and his henchmen, and four former Pakistan army officers among others. Of these, 26 are Indians and many among them are involved in the 1993 Bombay blasts or are henchman of Dawood Ibrahim.
Interestingly, the list does not have two critical names : Omar Saeed Sheikh and Mushtaq Zargar, both of whom were released from a Jammu prison along with Maulana Masood Azhar in 1999 to save the lives of 150 passengers on board the hijacked Indian Airlines plane at Kandahar. Azhar’s name is on the list as the main accused in the Parliament House attack case. A case is pending with the Delhi police since 2004.
26/11 and LeT: The list starts with LeT chief Hafiz Saeed, alias Hafiz Sahib, who routinely spews venom against India. An Interpol red corner notice against him is pending since 2009. He is involved in the Mumbai terror attack case and also in the conspiracy to commit various terrorist acts in India. His LeT comrades Zaki-Ur Rehman Lakhvi and Abu Hamza are on the list. Red corner notices has been issued since 2009 and are wanted for the Mumbai attacks. LeT commander Azam Cheema is wanted for training Indian youth in PoK.
Ex-army officers: Illyas Kashmiri, the rabidly anti-India man tipped to lead the Al-Qaida, has a red corner notice against him. He is involved in the conspiracy to commit various terror acts in India. He is former Special Service Group commando of the Pakistan army and now heads the self-styled 313 ‘brigade’ that is basically the Pakistan Taliban. Other former Pakistan army officers on the list are Major Iqbal, Major Sameer Ali and Sajid Majid, alias Sajid Mir. While Iqbal was the handler for David Coleman Headley, the man who surveyed targets in Mumbai, Ali and Mir are the main backers of terrorists and have planned other attacks.
Indian Airlines IC 814 hijacking case: This has six accused who are wanted for hijacking and also for killing passenger Rupin Katyal. A case is pending with the CBI since 2000. Ibrahim Athar, Azhar Yusuf, Mistri Zahur Ibrahim, alias Bhola, Sayeed Shahid Akhtar, alias Doctor, Shakir Mohammad, alias Ram Gopal Verma and Abdul Rauf.
Bombay blast case 1993: The case pending with the CBI against Dawood Ibrahim, Memon Ibrahim, alias Tiger Memon, Memon Ayub Abdul Razak, Anis Ibrahim Kaskar Shaikh, Anwar Ahmed Haji Jamal, Mohammed Ahmed Dosa and Javed Chikna all involved in the 1993 serial bombing in Mumbai.
Key Dawood gang members wanted in other terrorist cases: Chotta Shakeel, Salim Abdul Gani Gazi, Riyaz Abu Bakar Khatri, Munaf Abdul, Majid Halari, Mohammad Tainur, Khan Bashir Ahmed Ainul Haq Khan, Yakub Khan, Mohammad Shafi Memon, Irfan Ahmed Gulzar, Feroz Abdul Rashid Khan, Ishaq Atta Husain alias Ali Moosa, Sagir Sabir Ali Shaikh, Aftab Batki.
Punjab terrorists: Cases pending with the CBI and the Punjab Police against Wadhawa Singh, chief of the Babbar Khalsa International, for conspiracy to assassinate former Punjab Chief Minister Beant Singh and also for killing Punjab police officers in 1981; Ranjit Singh Neeta for bombing in Jammu; Paramjit Singh Panjwar, former chief of Khalistani Commando Force, and Lakhbir Singh Rode.
Other key figures on the list: Yousuf Salauddin has a CBI case pending since 1998. He is wanted for terrorist acts in India and criminal conspiracy to attack various installations. Jammu and Kashmir Liberation Front founder Amanullah Khan. Rashid Abdullah, alias Abu Rehan, involved in 2008 Bangalore blasts. Syed Zabiuddin Jabi, who was involved in 2006 Aurangabad arms haul case. Sufiyan Mufti, prime accused in the Gujarat Home Minister Haren Pandya murder case. Nachan Akmal, Khan Wazhul Kamar and Chaneparambil Mohammed Bashir, all three accused in the 2003 Mulund railway station bombing in Mumbai.
http://www.tribuneindia.com/2011/20110512/main1.htm
You are welcome to read my articles at:
http://www.chowk.com/writers/M-Singh
...Using Indian Media to Blame Pakistan, Hail the point of refer
Do they provide with the evidence of these most wanted terrorists' presence in Pakistan, too? And another laugh for depending upon Indian media to prove Pakistan terrorist. Though it sure tells me a little about your identity, my dear VISUALTUNNEL. Dawood Ibrahim is born & bred in India, the head of organized criminal syndicate D-Company based in Mumbai and sigh that India couldn't do much about it herself when he was hiding in their own land. Depending upon this one news, you question Pakistan.
Okay now i'll come to your level to make you understand and make you understand that these are all political moves. Spend the rest of your time reading this.
LIST OF WANTED INDIAN TERRORISTS
Here’s the list of terrorists that Pakistan has asked India to hand over:
(1) Ajay Verma, a Karnatika resident and directly involved in bomb blast at Sialkot in which 7 people were killed
(2) Manoj Shastri alias Javed Khan, resident of Mumbai, wanted for killing of 14 Namazees at a Karachi Mosque
(3) Raju Mukherjee, resident of Calcutta, wanted for bomb blast in Lahore in which 9 people were killed
(4) Mr. Bal Thackeray, resident of Bombay, Chief of Shiv Sena, wanted for organizing at least three major massacres in Pakistan in which some 33 people were killed and a highly active in organizing ethnic and sectarian clashes in different parts of Pakistan
(5) Vivek Khattri alias Kaala Pathaan, resident of Maharashtra, wanted for at least four bomb blasts in which over seventeen people were killed
(6) Ashok Vidyarthi alias Aslam resident of Ajmair Sharif, wanted for sniper shooting at an Imam baargah in Karachi, killing some 14 Shias
(7) Rajan Nikhalje alias Chhota Rajan, wanted for a number of terrorist attacks in different cities of Pakistan including a bomb blast in Sabzi Mandi Islamabad and a bomb blast in Quetta. Chhota Rajan is now launching terrorist operations in Pakistan from Indian Missions in Kandahar and Jalalabad (Afghanistan) and is head of RAW’s organized Crimes Wing or Special Operations Division (SOD), he is also wanted for killing of Chinese Engineers in Baluchistan and organizing the murder of some Chinese workers near Peshawar
(8) Asotosh Srivastava alias Maulvi Nazir alias Mulla, resident of Alahabad, wanted for firing on an imambargah in which 9 people were killed
(9) Ashok Dube alias Shah Jee, resident of Gandhi Nagar (New Delhi), wanted for killing some 11 Namazees in a Lahore Mosque
(10) Sanjive Joshi, resident of Bombay, wanted for comprehensive assistance in terror attack on a Christian Mission School near Murree
(11) Ramparkash alias Ranu alias Ali, resident of Hyderabad Daccan, wanted for terror attack on a Christian Hospital in Taxila (he is also identified as a graduate of Hindutva Brotherhood’s terror training camp, located near Sarojini Nagar)
(12) Ramesh Verma, resident of Pune, wanted for terror attack in Sheikhupura, killing 7 innocent citizens
(13) Bihari Mishra, wanted for organizing a number of terror attacks in Pakistan through his terrorists of Hindutva Brotherhood’s terrorist school
(14) Manoj Kulkarni, resident of Colkata, wanted for terror attack in Attok , killing 17
(15) Venkatash Raghwan, resident of Mahablaishwar, wanted for terror attacks in Rawalpindi, killing some 9 people
(16) Ajit Sahay, a former RAW Deputy Director, now attached with Chotta Rajan, wanted for organizing attack in Hyderabad (Sindh)
(17) Ashok Vohra alias Nepali, wanted for printing fake Pakistani currency and spreading it worldwide, particularly in Nepal, UAE and UK and also organizing a terror attack in Gujranwala in which 8 people were killed
(18) Vijay Kapali alias Guru, resident of Maharashtra, wanted for terror attack on an AJK village, killing 13 of a family. He is also working for RAW’s cross border operations wing
(19) Vivek Santoshi, resident of Calcutta, wanted for organizing terror attack on some US citizens and killing them in Karachi
(20) Mohandas Sharma, resident of Patna, wanted for planning and executing terror attacks on foreign nationals in Pakistan at least on three occasions
(21) Ramgopal Soorati, resident of Soorat, wanted for terror attack in Jhelum, killing 9 through a bus blast on the highway
(22) Rakesh alias Kalia, resident of Bombay, wanted for terror attack in Kasur
(23) Parkash Santoshi, resident of Lucknow, wanted for terror attack on a religious gathering in Lahore
(24) Aman Verma alias Pappoo alias Gulloo, resident of Aagra, wanted for terror attack in Peshawar in which 11 people were killed
(25 Mohinder Parkash alias Yasin Khan alias Riaz Chitta, resident of Lucknow, wanted for organizing terror attacks in different parts of Sindh
(26) Ashish Jaithlee alias Shaikh alias Osama, resident of Bombay downtown, wanted for providing explosives to the terrorists who killed French engineers in Karachi and also to those who carried out Marriot bombing, these explosives were provided through Pak-Afghan border
(27) Manohar Laal alias Peer Jee alias Ubu Khalid, resident of Gohaati, wanted for providing explosive devices for attack on Foreign Mission building in Karachi
(28) Ramnarayan alias Mufti, resident of New Delhi, wanted for providing huge consignments of automatic weapons to activists of banned Lashkar-e-Jhangvi and banned Lashkar-e-Tayyaba
(29) Arun Shetty, resident of Bombay and wanted for bulk infiltration of explosives, arms and ammunition into Pakistan
(30) Nikhanj Laal, resident of Hurryana, wanted for terror attack in border city of Narowaal, killing seven people
(31) Sunil Verma alias Httyara, resident of Maharashtra, wanted for organizing terror attack on Daily the Nation’s office n Karachi
(32) Ashish Chowan, resident of New Delhi, wanted for supply of arms and assisting latest terror attacks like suicide bombings in Quetta. Ashish is presently reported to be present in Indian Consulate of Kandahaar (Afghanistan)
(33) Babloo Srivastva of Chhota Rajan gang for providing highly sophisticated weapons to a sectarian outfit in Pakistan and assisting in missile attacks on UN offices in Islamabad in year 2000
(34) Suresh, alias Aamir alias Akbar Khan wanted for providing weapons and explosives to militants in Wana and North Waziristan through Afghanistan
(35) Abu Bakkar, wanted for a number of terror attack in different parts of the country and now living in India with a new identification under the blessings of Indian spy agency RAW.
Good day!
...Using Indian Media to Blame Pakistan, Hail the point of refer
Do they provide with the evidence of these most wanted terrorists' presence in Pakistan, too? And another laugh for depending upon Indian media to prove Pakistan terrorist. Though it sure tells me a little about your identity, my dear VISUALTUNNEL. Dawood Ibrahim is born & bred in India, the head of organized criminal syndicate D-Company based in Mumbai and sigh that India couldn't do much about it herself when he was hiding in their own land. Depending upon this one news, you question Pakistan.
Okay now i'll come to your level to make you understand and make you understand that these are all political moves. Spend the rest of your time reading this.
LIST OF WANTED INDIAN TERRORISTS
Here’s the list of terrorists that Pakistan has asked India to hand over:
(1) Ajay Verma, a Karnatika resident and directly involved in bomb blast at Sialkot in which 7 people were killed
(2) Manoj Shastri alias Javed Khan, resident of Mumbai, wanted for killing of 14 Namazees at a Karachi Mosque
(3) Raju Mukherjee, resident of Calcutta, wanted for bomb blast in Lahore in which 9 people were killed
(4) Mr. Bal Thackeray, resident of Bombay, Chief of Shiv Sena, wanted for organizing at least three major massacres in Pakistan in which some 33 people were killed and a highly active in organizing ethnic and sectarian clashes in different parts of Pakistan
(5) Vivek Khattri alias Kaala Pathaan, resident of Maharashtra, wanted for at least four bomb blasts in which over seventeen people were killed
(6) Ashok Vidyarthi alias Aslam resident of Ajmair Sharif, wanted for sniper shooting at an Imam baargah in Karachi, killing some 14 Shias
(7) Rajan Nikhalje alias Chhota Rajan, wanted for a number of terrorist attacks in different cities of Pakistan including a bomb blast in Sabzi Mandi Islamabad and a bomb blast in Quetta. Chhota Rajan is now launching terrorist operations in Pakistan from Indian Missions in Kandahar and Jalalabad (Afghanistan) and is head of RAW’s organized Crimes Wing or Special Operations Division (SOD), he is also wanted for killing of Chinese Engineers in Baluchistan and organizing the murder of some Chinese workers near Peshawar
(8) Asotosh Srivastava alias Maulvi Nazir alias Mulla, resident of Alahabad, wanted for firing on an imambargah in which 9 people were killed
(9) Ashok Dube alias Shah Jee, resident of Gandhi Nagar (New Delhi), wanted for killing some 11 Namazees in a Lahore Mosque
(10) Sanjive Joshi, resident of Bombay, wanted for comprehensive assistance in terror attack on a Christian Mission School near Murree
(11) Ramparkash alias Ranu alias Ali, resident of Hyderabad Daccan, wanted for terror attack on a Christian Hospital in Taxila (he is also identified as a graduate of Hindutva Brotherhood’s terror training camp, located near Sarojini Nagar)
(12) Ramesh Verma, resident of Pune, wanted for terror attack in Sheikhupura, killing 7 innocent citizens
(13) Bihari Mishra, wanted for organizing a number of terror attacks in Pakistan through his terrorists of Hindutva Brotherhood’s terrorist school
(14) Manoj Kulkarni, resident of Colkata, wanted for terror attack in Attok , killing 17
(15) Venkatash Raghwan, resident of Mahablaishwar, wanted for terror attacks in Rawalpindi, killing some 9 people
(16) Ajit Sahay, a former RAW Deputy Director, now attached with Chotta Rajan, wanted for organizing attack in Hyderabad (Sindh)
(17) Ashok Vohra alias Nepali, wanted for printing fake Pakistani currency and spreading it worldwide, particularly in Nepal, UAE and UK and also organizing a terror attack in Gujranwala in which 8 people were killed
(18) Vijay Kapali alias Guru, resident of Maharashtra, wanted for terror attack on an AJK village, killing 13 of a family. He is also working for RAW’s cross border operations wing
(19) Vivek Santoshi, resident of Calcutta, wanted for organizing terror attack on some US citizens and killing them in Karachi
(20) Mohandas Sharma, resident of Patna, wanted for planning and executing terror attacks on foreign nationals in Pakistan at least on three occasions
(21) Ramgopal Soorati, resident of Soorat, wanted for terror attack in Jhelum, killing 9 through a bus blast on the highway
(22) Rakesh alias Kalia, resident of Bombay, wanted for terror attack in Kasur
(23) Parkash Santoshi, resident of Lucknow, wanted for terror attack on a religious gathering in Lahore
(24) Aman Verma alias Pappoo alias Gulloo, resident of Aagra, wanted for terror attack in Peshawar in which 11 people were killed
(25 Mohinder Parkash alias Yasin Khan alias Riaz Chitta, resident of Lucknow, wanted for organizing terror attacks in different parts of Sindh
(26) Ashish Jaithlee alias Shaikh alias Osama, resident of Bombay downtown, wanted for providing explosives to the terrorists who killed French engineers in Karachi and also to those who carried out Marriot bombing, these explosives were provided through Pak-Afghan border
(27) Manohar Laal alias Peer Jee alias Ubu Khalid, resident of Gohaati, wanted for providing explosive devices for attack on Foreign Mission building in Karachi
(28) Ramnarayan alias Mufti, resident of New Delhi, wanted for providing huge consignments of automatic weapons to activists of banned Lashkar-e-Jhangvi and banned Lashkar-e-Tayyaba
(29) Arun Shetty, resident of Bombay and wanted for bulk infiltration of explosives, arms and ammunition into Pakistan
(30) Nikhanj Laal, resident of Hurryana, wanted for terror attack in border city of Narowaal, killing seven people
(31) Sunil Verma alias Httyara, resident of Maharashtra, wanted for organizing terror attack on Daily the Nation’s office n Karachi
(32) Ashish Chowan, resident of New Delhi, wanted for supply of arms and assisting latest terror attacks like suicide bombings in Quetta. Ashish is presently reported to be present in Indian Consulate of Kandahaar (Afghanistan)
(33) Babloo Srivastva of Chhota Rajan gang for providing highly sophisticated weapons to a sectarian outfit in Pakistan and assisting in missile attacks on UN offices in Islamabad in year 2000
(34) Suresh, alias Aamir alias Akbar Khan wanted for providing weapons and explosives to militants in Wana and North Waziristan through Afghanistan
(35) Abu Bakkar, wanted for a number of terror attack in different parts of the country and now living in India with a new identification under the blessings of Indian spy agency RAW.
Good day!
No Proof Will Ever Be Good Enough for Pakistani Rulers
No proof has ever been Good Enough for Pakistani Rulers.
Talking of levels, I have absolutely no hesitation to accept and agree to the factual realities of never matching the lofty religiosity of Pakistani obsession with million conspiracy theories and pulsating sense of perennial victim hood.
The amazing creativity, duplicity and perfidy espoused by Pakistani Military-Mullah Demonic Duo has taken over and influenced the minds and hearts of ordinary Pakistanis in a significant ways.
Your jingoism is nothing new and only one more example of well known response of most of Pakistanis I have met in person and interacted on net,
But the real issue is the religious obscurantism, fanaticism and hate promoted by Gen Zia Ul Haq has successfully created an assembly process to produce generations of Islamist viewing every thing first through prism of religion.
I am sure Dawood Abraham has been given a Pakistani passport and has invested heavily in Karachi real estate and other businesses along with his masters.His assimilation in milieu and culture of violent Karachi must be doing what he can do with needed ferocity to do what Pakistani Army wants him to do-may be number of killings and guarding safe houses.
You can debunk any event, argument and list and by dumping a Pakistani point of view.
Do not believe Indians and Americans, but do read and try to understand what the present Pakistani Ambassador to USA, Hussain Haqqani has written in his book.
His book is not the only one, there a dozens, but each can be debunked.
How ever I do not want to indulge in a well known Indo-Pak mud fest.
I can only respectfully suggest you to look inwards rather than pointing fingers at others for literally self created acute mayhem, destruction and bloodshed by fomenting religious obscurantism and lunatic expansionist Ideals.
Pakistani megalomania and schizophrenia are the prime mover.
Every person, group, organization, society and country have strengths, weaknesses and are faced with several opportunities and threats. If a new course and corrections are needed, an unbiased and brutal assessment has to be carried out. But the hard fact is that, such ventures are hardly deemed necessary when megalomania and schizophrenia are prime mover.
Making an important remark at the end of his book, Who Killed Daniel Pearl?, the French philosopher Bernard-Henri Levy expressed this terrifying conclusion: “I assert that Pakistan is the biggest rogue of all the rogue states today. I assert that what is taking form there, between Islamabad and Karachi, is a black hole compared to which Saddam Hussein’s Baghdad was an obsolete dump.”
Even the present loquacious Pakistani envoy to USA, Haqqani had sharp words for the Pakistani military relationship with extremist groups and its negative effects on the country's development into a modern state.His analysis of the nation and its defining problems were the subject of the controversial 2005 book, Pakistan: Between Mosque and Military, authored while a visiting scholar at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.
But the so called timely scholarship and the apparent present day duality of Haqqani as an Ambassador, also manifests the classic Pakistani traits that has led to the repeated failure of leadership because of opportunist mentality:Before he wrote whatever was necessary to have a book published and was relatively honest about the realities. Now as an ambassador he lies to please same Military bosses, he has severely criticized and lampooned.
In the end, he accomplishes nothing. This is why Pakistan has accomplished what ever could be hardly termed as noble, reasonably desired and expected form a modern nation.
Haqqani also made, an otherwise well known observation : "Hostility between India and Pakistan continues; in Pakistan it serves as an important element for national identification."
For Hussani Haqqani, ambassadorship is an important addition in his already impressive CV and would result in significant monetary benefits by way of better speaking assignment in future along with possibility of perhaps playing a bigger role in Pakistani politics.
Unfortunately for Pakistan and the helplessly confused Pakistanis, Haqqani is not unique, as likes of him have always set forth the social-political agenda and ruled the country. Right from times of Iqbal, Jinnah to the present crop, ably represented by Playboy turned Puritan Imran Khan, the paucity of modern thinkers, opinion makers, administrators, leader and rulers , sadly continues.
I'd like to take you a little back in time since you are making things springing out of nowhere. I think you haven't read much about the term 'Mujahideen' of the modern era or probably you, due to your sheer inclination for blaming it to the face of Pakistan, are ignoring that on purpose. I don't find it appropriate for our age group, but to let you know I'd like you to have the much needed sermon on history of Mujahideens (though it makes me feel like a kid, but never mind! anything to enlighten anybody). The modern jihadism goes back to the 1960s. It originated NOT in Pakistan but in Afghanistan & it was instigated and oiled NOT by Pakistan but USA. Osama Bin Laden at that time was suspected to be one of the major recipients of arms NOT by Pakistan but USA. CIA, on document, is known to have provided these so-called Mujahideens with billion of dollars of arms( i call them 'so-called Mujahideen' since they were people who were fighting for a political cause, not a religious cause and they were given the name Mujahideens for disguise and hence, such a bad name brought to our peaceful religion Islam. Mujahid is the term used for a person who fights for the sake of Allah & Islam & that too, not blindly! There are certain prerequisites and that too, rational ones. Our religion teaches us co-existance like many other religions. I can not start on religion since its not the point of debate) . I hope you can well analyze USA was NOT providing them with arms to fight for Islam but it was a Capitalist fighting against Socialist. I am breaking these things down so that you can know the basis. I hope you are well aware of the Ronald Doctrine in this regard and laugh at the fact that these 'Mujahideens', when fighting against a pro-Soviet democratic regime of Afghanistan were called as 'freedom fighters' by Ronald Reagan. Don't forget, these Mujahideens were also killing people back then as well, the difference was the innocent people being killed were not US citizens but Soviets & Afghans and getting them killed was prime interrest of USA. US instigated soviet intervention of Afghanistan by these acton to meet their policy purposes. Jimmy Carter's NSA has documented it by saying that Afghan Mujahids were getting aid from US prior to the Soviet invasion, to instigate it on purpose. So in other words these Mujahideen's were fighting a proxy war for US (US staying behind the scene like always not to bring a bad name to herself or probably she is too coward to confront her enemies herself). And by the way, as a result to this invasion TWO MILLION Afghans died out of which who knows how many were innocent. Keep in mind that these mujahideens who were termed as freedom fighters by one nation were the terrorists for another and they were no less than today's so called mujahideens of today at all, as today these mujahideens are helping again US, to meet her expansionist thoery. USA supported afghan mujahideen as it was in her national interest back then. She did not think of the rights and wrongs and today, when she has majority of her interests met, the earlier known freedom fighters are now declared terrorist to meet the next policy agenda i.e. to expand USA's influence in the world and rule more countries esp. Muslim countries to secure its equally evil child, Israel. My dear USA, the so called proponent of peace and you, Mr. Singh, buy her to be one despite all these facts. What a pity.
Pakistani borders were again being used by USA for providing aid to the the Mujahideens/ freedom fighters and now called millitants/ islamic terrorists of Afghanistan. It was an era of cold war keep that in mind & the world was divided into two strong poles, Pakistan being a weak ally like many other countries had to succumb to the orders of US. The jihadists' infiltrated in Pakistan as a result of settling afghan refugees, another action of our so-called islamist government of that time, under US pressure.
So now, who do you blame for the creation of these terrorists? Who began this game of spreading terror by using them? Who was benefitted the most by these islamists as the bipolar world ended? Was it Pakistan? When you needed them, they were freedom fighters and today to meet your next policy agenda, you turn term them as terrorists?. No wonder international politics has no justice but BLIND and i'm much dismayed to see that its so easy to manipulate intellects today, although they have the entire history in front of them but they also believe in blind justice by choosing references that suit them. Sigh! Its a sorry sight to watch truth going down the drain in this politically motivated world.
Take this as a rational, unbiased point of reference if you want to base your argument on facts. (if ever that is.) He's a man from education sector, not politics!
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Afghanistan/Afghanistan_CIA_Taliban.htm
US did Blunders, Pakistani has been an Opportunistic Partner
Ms. Saeeda,
I have many Marxist/Socialist friends, from fanatically devoted extreme leftists to fashionable socialites masquerading as left leaning charlatans.
Having roamed a lot in parts of former East Germany after fall of Berlin wall, I have not much respect for the utterly dysfunctional ideology which has been rejected long back by China and recently dumped even by Cuba.
Further, I am not at all surprised by what is conveniently and ideologically babbled on the quoted Third World Traveler site about no proof of Bin Laden in 9/11.
I have not read much of it but surely some where, they must have added to the huge heap of conspiracy theories by agreeing and supporting the view that 9/11 was an insider job executed by CIA/Mossad to defame Islamic world and to justify an impending attack.
I agree that knee jerk USA reaction to USSR ingress in Afghanistan was part of foolish cloak and dagger game played during cold war. They should have known that the utterly dysfunctional-inorganic-dehumanized prisons of communism will not even last a century.
Ex Hollywood star turned president Ronald Reagen was at his worst Rambo role playing, when he blindly decided to foment, support and fund ideals of fanatic Islamic Jihad to evict the godless communists from Afghanistan.
At the same time Russian were utterly foolish to foist communism in an Islamic Afghanistan, teeming with various warring tribes and megalomaniac sectarian chieftains.
They erroneously deduced-discounted or even the worst, missed the historical facts, that no predominantly Islamic country had ever gone wholeheartedly for godless communism.
Stinking Rich Shaikhs of Saudi Arabian royal family sitting on mineral generated huge wealth were troubled lot after the Mecca Grand Mosque siege by Islamic fanatics. Using the god sent opportunity, they cunningly decided to dispatch their fanatics to rugged mountain of Afghanistan to fight for Islam and get killed there. They also seized the opportunity to extend and expand the ideals of Wahabbism in a willing Pakistan and elsewhere.
General Zia Ul Haq had already started the radicalization of Pakistan and make it more Muslim than the Arabs and be the eventual leader of the Muslim world.
The dynamic situation and unfolding events suited Pakistan immensely and the Army/ ISI wholeheartedly worked with American to milk with fervor.
Skillfully Selling their localized-basket of knowledge and Afghanistan contacts Pakistani establishment become an eager player-main contractor in the game of death and destruction.
The motivations and compulsions were many, promotion of Islamic Jihad, being an important actor in war, billions of dollars, sophisticated arms along with using the opportunity to further activate their long held desires of achieving strategic depth in east and west.
War making in Pakistan has been an entirely Militaristic exercise with out role of any civilian government, if it exits.
ZA Bhutto was the last civilian leader who conceptualize and sold the idea of complete the unfinished 1947 Kashmir agenda to Gen. Ayub Khan, through Operation Gibraltar in 1965.
Mr. Singh,
Your entire view starting from The Third World Traveller Site to US to USSR to Ronald Reagan, from Afghan to Pakistan to rich Saudi Sheikhs to General Zia to military & to ISI seem sheerly dripping with hatred and agonized, exasperated approach. What in this entire big world could please you except for things that relate to you, I wonder.
I didn't really capture the aim of your writing but anyway good attempt. I have many other blogs to follow which indeed are, a little more knowledgeable and productive.
All the best.
Best Regards,
Saeeda
Justified Criticism of Pakistani Army is not Hate Mongering
Ms. Saeeda,
Justified Criticism of owner of the nation, Pakistani Army who has diligently created various monsters creating problems with and elsewhere is not Hate Mongering.
The convenient habit of Heaping all blame on USA and Capitalism wont solve any thing for Pakistan.
It seems that even the educated Pakistanis are not ready to address the real issues of utterly wrong national goals of expansion, strategic depths and religious obscurantism.
Beyond that like every one else, you are entitle to your views and preferences to treat what is right and productive.
Thanks a lot.
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