Kayani, a man for many seasons
By Shuja Nawaz, July 23, 2010
Friday, July 23, 2010 - 3:37 PM
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In a timely though perhaps overly dramatic move, Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani of Pakistan announced last night on national television the extension of army chief General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani for another three years beyond November this year, when his first term was to end. Timely, since any further delay in announcing it would have led to further speculation and confusion about what was to happen. Dramatic, since the normal manner would have been a press release from the Inter Services Relations Directorate.
But then this is Pakistan and anything to do with the army chief makes headlines. And this announcement further strengthens the view that the army continues to be a key player even as democracy struggles to establish itself in a country that has been ruled for more than half its life by the military.
This is the first time a civilian government has extended an army chief for a full term. In the past, extensions have been either short, given by military rulers to themselves or, in the case of the first military ruler, Ayub Khan, to an ineffectual army chief with no independent power base. Benazir Bhutto sought to break with tradition when she offered an extension to General Abdul Waheed in 1996 but he refused it. Kayani took pains to convey the impression that he would not seek an extension nor negotiate for one. It appears that the government made him an offer he could not refuse.
Kayani is widely regarded as a quiet, professional soldier, who has helped transform the army in his tenure from a largely conventional force to one that is effectively fighting an irregular war inside its own borders. His new tenure gives him a rare opportunity to continue the transformation of the Pakistan into army into a professional body ready to fight insurgencies and conventional enemies equally well. He maintains a low public profile and is seen as a thinking general. Compared with his predecessor, General Pervez Musharraf, who was tempestuous and rarely had time to read, Kayani is deliberate. From the outset, he stated a policy of keeping the army out of politics, a policy that he tried to maintain even while selectively intervening in political squabbles as a referee. In recent months he has played a key role in moving the United States-Pakistan strategic dialogue onto a higher plane in terms of content and action.
While many inside and outside the country have welcomed the move as providing continuity and stability at a time of a raging insurgency and the rise of militancy inside Pakistan, others view it as a retrogressive move away from institutionalizing the selection and promotion system by linking it to personalities. Above all, it is a political move since the final decision was made by a politician. The United States has studiously avoided taking a public position but conversations with U.S. diplomats and military officials over the past few months indicated their deep interest in the future of General Kayani and a noticeable desire to see him remain at the helm of affairs in Pakistan. Yet Kayani on his part has showed no signs that he is or even is willing to be painted as "America's choice."
What are the implications of this extension? In the near term, it opens up the possibility of a routine promotion for the next senior most army general to the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee when that position falls vacant in October 2010. There may well be an opportunity also to elevate one of the other service chiefs, from the air force or navy, to bolster inter-service cohesion. Within the army there has been some talk of a Vice Chief. This may make sense for such a large army but runs against the grain, since the Pakistan army has a steep pyramid structure. Authority rests in one man: the chief. When I suggested to my own brother, General Asif Nawaz, when he took over as Army chief in 1991 that he appoint a deputy chief to help manage the administrative details of his work, his reply was crisp: "Command is indivisible!" While not supported by historical evidence, this mantra has taken hold in Pakistan and was echoed by General Pervez Musharraf for different and perhaps political reasons, even though he appointed a Vice Chief of the Army Staff. But Musharraf made all the important decisions himself.
In the longer run, the career paths of many senior generals will be affected by this decision. Nearly a dozen operational three-stars (Lieutenant Generals) will retire before Kayani's new term expires in November 2013. These include a number of very bright and highly trained officers whom he has promoted to three star rank in April this year. As a result, the age and service gap between Kayani and his corps commanders in another two years will be quite large, as he digs down into the ranks order to promote new commanders. The nature and quality of the exchanges between him and his commanders will necessarily be affected, as was the case for General Zia ul-Haq and General Musharraf before him. Few junior officers will be willing to challenge the views of such a senior chief. Yet, he has exhibited a certain collegiality in his exchanges with fellow officers. If he can maintain that approach it will serve him in good stead. Politically, the country will of necessity see another election during Kayani's extended term, unless things deteriorate so dramatically internally or in relations with Pakistan's fractious neighbors that the army, under public pressure, mounts another coup. Here, Kayani will fight against historical precedent: in the past, an extension or the dismissal of a chief and replacement by a new chief invariably led to a coup, as mutual suspicions between the civilians and the military was compounded.
A positive spin-off from the extension in the eyes of some may be that a slew of Musharraf promotees will also retire between now and 2013 reducing the tension between them and others vying for the next rung. Some of these are strong professional officers but the taint of having been favored by Musharraf may remain. After all, Kayani too was a Musharraf choice. A major advantage that might accrue is that the certainty provided by the new term for the army chief will allow the civilian government to become confident in asserting itself in policy matters, knowing that the army chief will not overtly intervene in its affairs. This may help strengthen political institutions. At the same time, civilians must resist the temptation to turn to the army to lead the battle against militancy (a national endeavor not purely a military one) or to arbitrate differences on the political field.
These three years should also give Kayani time to assess the present Higher Defense Organization of Pakistan and perhaps come up with a more devolved structure for the army and a better system of command and control at the center. One possible scenario may include regional and centralized commands at four-star rank, appointed by the same authority who selects the service chiefs, and a Chairman of the Joint Chiefs with real powers to regulate all the services while acting as the main military advisor of the government. This approach has been taken by the United States and many other modern militaries, so it would hardly be unprecedented. Without having a stake in the chairman's position in 2013, Kayani may be able to provide a dispassionate plan for the government to decide, well in advance of the next round of promotions in 2013. Any proposal that he presents as a disinterested party will have credibility and will also help override the parochial concerns of the army relative to the other services in Pakistan.
All this will be against the backdrop of Pakistan's traditional rivalry with emerging superpower India to the east. Kayani would be key to any effort to reduce hostility and to open the eastern border to trade and traffic. He has already played a role in opening up to Afghanistan and perhaps positioning Pakistan to play a role in the reconciliation efforts of Afghan President Hamid Karzai.
The United States, as a key ally, must also understand that the army chief in Pakistan will think foremost about Pakistan's interests. To the extent that they have an interlocutor who knows them well, from his extensive U.S. training and contacts, the U.S. will benefit from a clear dialogue. Removing years of mistrust will take a major and longer-term effort. Officer exchanges will help. But most important will be steady provision of the best possible equipment to the Pakistani forces in their battle against insurgents and militants, with no underlying threats or overhanging waivers accompanying those transfers. That is what trust means.
Key to this entire enterprise is the man who will continue to head the Pakistan army beyond President Barack Obama's first term and into the term of the next elected government in Pakistan: General Kayani, truly now a man for many seasons.
Shuja Nawaz is Director of the South Asia Center of the Atlantic Council.
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Kayani is a "died-in-wool" islamic jihadist/Terrorist.
No matter, how suavely they piroutte around in their Armani Suits, most Pakis are jihadists at their Core ...
Folks -- might want to remember his tapped phone conversation "Haqquani is their asset", or the Paki ISI relaying instructions about the "bombings" in Kabul on the Indian Embassy.
For us the US Tax payers, slowly dying a painful economic misery -- It is galling to See so much Tax Money handed over to these Pakis, when we have millions of people suffering from loss of jobs, healthcare etc etc ...
The folks in the State Dept and Pentagon are playing "fiddle" while US Tax payers are burning ... !
The bar has been set so low by previous military generals in Pakistan that it's easy to do better.
Kayani does not have political ambitions - This is taken for granted most countries.
In Pakistan it's enough to elevate him to the level of a saint.
Once you get past that, he supports the Taliban takeover of Afghanistan - plain and simple.
Is that in the US interest?
Taliban takeover of Afghanistan is not in ANYone's interest
Except it allows westerners to get out safely from there and let Pakistanis and Afghnas stew in their own Talibani soup!
May not be such a bad idea actually!
An American and Hindoo blather about Pakistan
An American simpleton with old world envy and a bona fide Hindoo bania hiding behind a famous Muslim name in the usual deceptive manner spewing their racist hate and propaganda respectively.
Pakistan does not gives two hoot about envious and racist hate spewing America or naked and stupid India. Pakistan is doing what is in the best interest of Muslims of the world and Muslims of Pakistan, just like it has always done.
All the rest is of secondary importance.
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Aurangzeb -- Typical Paki Jihadi/Terrorist
Vow, the Pakis are still living in Cloud 9 ...
In 1947 -- The Paki Population was 40 Million --- living in an area the size of TX & CA.
Water available after the IWT was 5000 cc -- This is after getting 80 % of the waters !!!
Fast forward to 2010, the Pakis have bred worse than rabbits -- Population is ~ 180 Million (don't believe official stats -- They hide the Census details) ..
A whopping increase of 4.5 times ---> Guess what dude -- The water available is 5000/4.5
~ 1000 cc - 40 % in losses ~ 600 cc
A whole lot of Pakis are going to die -- But Kayani -- Typical Paki Master Strategist General, has spent 14 Billion Dollars on Weapons ...
Don't worry Aurangzeb, like ur name ---> We will pull a Maharaja Ranjit Singh on you, if you try war -- Like the previous 4 times ---> You will quietly disappear with your tail between your legs ..
Correction: Two naked Hindoos blather about Pakistan
Two bona fide Hindoo banias hiding behind an American sounding name and the other behind a famous Muslim name in the usual deceptive manner spewing their racist hate and propaganda respectively.
Pakistan does not give two hoots about envious and racist hate spewing naked and stupid India. Pakistan is doing what is in the best interest of Muslims of the world and Muslims of Pakistan, just like it has always done.
All the rest is of secondary importance.
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I am sure Pakistan doesn't nor will India
but you do
Hahahahaha
AK III is a FAKE he is a racist bigot who is trying to discredit
me. It is because I am a GAY MUSLIM from PAKISTAN. He is also a homosexual pakistani and we had sex together. He is ashamed. It is sad at this day and age. Now to cover his shame he tries to prove he is more militant muslim/pakistani/arab than actual muslims and pakistanis. He will tell u silly things like "mossad way of deception" as if I am a mossad agent. As if I cannot be a real muslim homosexual. As if me and him could not have had a night of hot passionate sex (after we got past his premature ejaculation issues). It is time for other muslims like him and me to come out and be proud of who we are. We need to stop taking our anger out on others like Hindus, Jews, Americans, and others.
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Kayani NO different than Musharraf
Kayani can NOT transfer Pakistan any more than Musharraf could since they all belong to same Islamic fundamentalist clique. Musharraf was also considered ‘moderate’ when he took over after nawaz Sharif. Kayani has continued to play Musharraf’s duplicitous game of ’running with the hares while hunting with the hounds’ by refusing to act against Haqqani’s HQN network and Mullah Omar’s QST network. So he also intends to reestablish Pakistan’s writ in Afghanistan that existed before 9/11 attacks.
Natural extent of Greater Pakistan
Natural extent of Greater Pakistan
See map here:
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Countries are by definition unnatural so says your koran. What happened to Umma ? asshole. Pakistanis can't reconcile religion with State that is a given. They confuse and mix all things and when some inner contradiction comes they literally blow themselves up.
Moreover show me a link where Jinnah or Iqbal (Ideologues of Pakistan) said these things.
Before 1931 there was no Idea of a separate muslim state.
Before 1940 the name Pakistan was not decided upon.
I am sure you can point me to some books or links from country other then Pakistan so that your claim can have a certain merit among readers.
As a pakistani man, I am just angry that my
Indian boyfriend dumped me. As a result, I take out my anger on all Indians.
Can a general save his country ?
Give me an Instance where a country has been saved by military leadership and put on tracks of economic and social growth.
You people would say turkey . right ?(boy! I wish India to be like Turkey.)
But tell me now how many countries in Islamic world aspire to be like Saudi Arabia and not Turkey ? Rich but socially backward.
I was also of the opinion earlier that poor countries deserve some sort of fascist rule for a period to put people in discipline but somehow I turned from that opinion to discipline coming from within.
Can anybody please tell how much is globalization, trade imbalances and dependence on unquestioned aid is responsible for plight of these countries ?
It has always been American interference which caused democracy to flounder in Pakistan. They are still at it.
From pakistans founding to the 90's
The US had nothing to do with it. Seriously, we worked together to support the Mujahadeen in the 80's, that was it. Before that, either country would have been unaffected if the other had disappeared.
Noboose, I think you should read recent history
Read what were Pakistan's relations with America when these were members of SEATO and CENTO. And you may want to read about how U2's including the Gary Powers one that was shot down over the USSR used to fly from Peshawar, Pakistan, in the NWFP; the same NWFP where American is now shooting innocents with its CIA drones.
One should also note that India was NOT part of the SEATO or CENTO, whilst Pakistan was, and additionally India was on the wrong side in the Soviet Occupation of Afghanistan.
And you think the Hindoo bania has reformed himself. If you think Jews are crooked then Hindoo banias are twice as crooked.
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Wrong side ?? Define wrong side asshole
your taliban was the right side I suppose ?
And who is directing the drone attacks by providing intel ?
I suppose you will say that their are white Caucasian or african-american spies among your NWFP snitching for USA.
Hahahaha why don't you spare yourself for once ?
All Im saying is that before the 90's the US and Pakistan didnt have anything more to do with eachother than the US and any random country.
Norboose, you are conveniently forgetting...
You are conveniently forgetting that Pakistan defeated the Soviet Union which was America's No. 1 enemy.
It was the Pakistani ISI, Pakistan Army, Pakistan's Frontier Constabulary that trained the Afghan Mujahideen and fought shoulder to shoulder with them to defeat the Soviet Union's invasion in Afghanistan.
Some honest thinkers in the West also realise that Pakistan's defeat of Soviet Union also led to the demise of the Soviet Union.
Even though you may be be convieniently trying to forget it, but then that sort of dishonesty is part and parcel of being a Westerner or worse an American.
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The wrong side is my loose pakistani asshole
from too much humping.
As a pakistani, I have to say that Pakistan's condition
is all our fault. As pakistanis, we have never gotten along. Only when we have an external enemy can we actually unite. This is why we need India or the United States. Our simple minds only allow us unite based on hate. We need a direction for that hate.
Other than that, we can't do anything. We can't contribute anything to the world except for instability. Our greatest legacy will be a loose nuke or a lot of crazy terrorists. I am sorry for our sad existence.
While India has prospered we still live in the stone age.
What about American CIA agents that fought along with and trained Afghan Mujahideen as well as provided them with weapons. Weapons that were far superior to anything Pakistan could provide.
I dont understand why their is a debate on his extension, why can we not simply see the way he has been a pupet for US, just a simple instance, Cheif of world's sixth largest millitary can meet an american embassador to his country (what they discuss and how humiliating is this for a Pakistani is another story) there has been a simple deal between US and Pakistani establishment, Kayani will be given extention and he will do what US wants... and I believe it shouldn't have be done(US should involve other regional powers to make it balanced future Afghan regime). Kayani is future's Mchrystal and Patreaus(he is gonna run Afghanistan according to US will)!!!
@Zaid Hamid I dont recognize him as a saint anymore after he got extension believe me or not this move has slapped democracy big time. We should look forward for a durable solution for this mess, how long can Kayani be there ? let the time and his successors decide what to be done.
Also let the world know we(Pakistan) were wrong to train jihadist against india to support Kashmiris(by giving up trainings to jihadist). Kashmir separatist is a geniun movement we dont need to do anything, India is proving this now by killing 21 people in 31 days with now there are no insurgents going in there. Kashmir is geniunly burning.
Really ?? you have a formula to determine the
genuineness of a movement by number of its thugs that were killed. Please give us this product of Pakistani enlightenment as I am sure other scientists political or social have neither worked on this nor will they ever find it if they do decide to work on this.
You have assholes in mobs throwing stones at its own citizens
a two month old muslim baby was killed during curfew by accidentally being hit by these stones. What did this achieve.
Next stage
These assholes started killing their own and pinning blame on Army. But they have been so stupid that they have killed people in places where the based on circumstances any rational observer would say this to be otherwise.
Boy you can come and join these thugs and see for yourself. I believe your country does sends people of its own for these IT programs.
Every Hindoo Occupation Army bania is a legitimate target.
May every stone thrown at the Occupation army thugs in Palestine and Kashmir hit the thugs in army uniform and hit them hard.
Free Kashmir from the clutches of the Hindoo.
Free Palestine from the clutches of the Jew.
Mossad by way of deception - this is what you do - I am khan,
the above poster, AK III is a FAKE. It is really a neo-nazi convicted molester who types from his house, where he is on house arrest.
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If the Pakistani are so close to Afghans, then why when you criticize and ridicule Pakistan do you make so many Afghan friends.
But Ashok,
1. Could you clarify what triggered off the latest round of stone-throwing protests?
2. Reports I've read say children have been killed over the past few weeks in Kashmir.. and after every killing, the protests have become worse.
Sure, Pakistan is doing its best to mes India's case, but you wouldn't be doing any good to India by saying it is managing Kashmir in the best possible way...
3. And also that the security forces (CRPF I think, not the Army) haven't been deploying non-lethal methods of crowd dispersion..
Once again the answer is Power
See the Kashmiri separatists don't have a broad support therefore they will not participate in the democratic process (which has been adjudged by most foreign observers to be fair) but will say that they can not participate in 'bogus' election by Indian govt.
(The only achievement I would rate of Indian polity would be Indian Election Commission and its ability to conduct elections which have brought down people regardless of their power or clout among the wealthy, powerful or rich. In India one vote counts as one vote.)
You can see similar examples in Pakistan ---- Taliban which does not have broad support resorts to bombing and killing people of other thoughts thus instilling dread for any democratic process whatsoever.
Pakistani trained terrorists have been trying to do the same in India and they have partially succeeded when you see people resorting to stone throwing to get their demands met which could have easily been considered by pressuring their local representative.
This is called Fascism a fight reason; a fight against any thought (which is associated with intellectual hindu bania or clever jew in Germany, as khan says it)
About your reports do you know that a teen was allegedly killed and in his Janaza( funeral) his only little brother got killed by bullet (only person to get killed) now what are the chances of that ?
We know Pakistan is struggling to contain Taliban or Baloch rebels w.r.t. it the problem faced in kashmir and that too in Srinagar (hardly 0.5 % of population) is very minor.
Have India at any time acknowledged claim of Baloch or Taliban of NWFP rebels ? No
We don't have any right
Have Pakistan recognized right of Kashmiri separatists ? Always
You tell me who is fair.
And only today I heard Hizbul Mujahiddin (a recognised terror outfit by USA) telling these asshole separatists to call off their 'spontaneous' agitations because it was eroding their meager support.
"intellectual hindu bania or clever jew in Germany"
Nothing intellectual about rote memorisation caste system racist Hindoo bania or crooked Neanderthal thug sof Eastern Europe.
Please do not indulge yourself into self-aggrandisments.
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And Asshole Khan you mean to say that muslim children forced to sit in front of Koran and shake their heads from side to side, forward-backward is a true intellectual pursuit which will result in getting heaven for them
and iphone for you hahahahah
if a baby craps on you ; you wash.. do not crp back
I think the proper way to Address A Khan would not be A&*%^. It would be Mr. Khan.
No point mudslinging.
Kashmir has been and is being debated till cows come home.
Here is what I think could be done
(1) Get rich, be baniya, be Jinnah's Hindoo Bhais. Invite Kashmiris to be part of that.
(2) get rich, be baniya, Jinnah's hindoo bhais, Pour money into Kashmir, resources. Send armies of teachers and engineers.
(3) Get Rich, Be baniya, Jinnah's Hindoo bhais. Turn Indian Kashmir into South Korea ( along with the rest of India) ; Pakistan is helping in turning their part of Kashmir into North Korea so let them. That will make a nice contrast.
(4) Get richbe baniya, Jinnahs Hindoo Bhais, remember, rich are the ones that can buy and make arms. Poors have to beg for them
(5) Get Rich, be baniya, Jinnahs Hindoo Bhais, solidify your defence. Do not react to bark from across the border, they will attack you at their peril.
(6) Get Rich, be baniya, Jinnahs Hindoo Bhais, Manage terrorism. In Kashmir Manage it with soft power. Outside one, manage it with diplomacy as much as possible. Do not waste money in war unless it is thrust upon you. If that happens, will it with massive resources not hand to hand combat like the martial races ( once again be baniya)
(7) Get rich be BaniyasJinnahs Hindoo bhais; remember, rich have many friends and are welcome everywhere
(8) Get Rich, be baniya, Jinnahs Hindoo Bhais, spend some of that money to keep Information flow open with Pakistan. Let them see that you do not hate them. They only have nuisance value and you will manage that.
(10) Get Rich, be baniya, Jinnahs Hindoo Bhais, Build alliances with other rich, Jinnah's Chini Bhais, Jinnahs joo bhais and Jinnahs Isai bhais. Jinnah's Portuguese bhais Even build alliances with Jinnahs shia bhais and Jinnahs other sunni bhais ( UAE, Malaysia, Indonesia). Money talks make it talk.
Don't kid yourself, India is not getting rich any time soon
The 2% "middle class" may get more haughty and arrogant after swallowing a few dollars for being computer coolies to America but that is the extent of it.
India's poor will always stay poor, entrenched in India's racist caste system; these will neither have 80 grams of protein nor anything beyond primary school education.
So, don't count your chickens before they are hatched and don't kid yourself, India is not getting rich any time soon, in fact not in a 1000 years.
No amount of computer coolie jobs from Ameria will change the failed equation of India.
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Joo and Hindoooo tricks - By way of deception
Imitation is the best form of flattery. AK III is a total IMITATION. He is angry because I came out as a PROUD homosexual Pakistani Muslim. Now, he thinks he can get back at me by posting racist and antisemitic comments here. Well, he is wrong. There are many more of us gay pakistanis.
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aren's we "sunshine" Mr. Khan III
What a sunny outlook Mr. Khan.
If a nation puts its mind to the singular goal of becoming a great bania ( Jinnah's Hinddo Bhai) and progress through trade, commerce and manufacturing. Slowly but surely ( like you would say Inshalla) it will succeed. You are trying hard to throw distractions but the Jinnha's Sikh friend ( Manmohan) has his head screwed on right, and secured by a Pagdi there. Even the other Jinnah's Hindoo Bhai, Atal Bihari had it right. SO no matter who gets there , even the much hated Modi, they are first and foremost Baniyas ( Jinnahs, Hindu or sikh bhais or Jinnahs Isai Bahen) they will have this as their priority. Not Kashmir, not Pak, not terrorism....
If being a coolie is a way to riches, there is no shame in that. Honest day's work gets honest days pay. It is better than becoming a street robber who puts a gun to the "west's" head and begs for money.
All that computer coolie stuff has taught India to "multi-task" , manage competing issues and still not lose the focus. You know, Jinnah's Chini Bhai are doing that, so why not Jinnah's Hindoo bhai?
Mr. A Khan IV, why all the obscene posts? A Khan III is doing his role very well. why add to that?
Um, let's assume LalQ is right about India
(once the laughter subsides..)
I'd like to point out that even if the stigmatizing of coolie jobs and allegations of kwashiorkor (that's a technical term for a protein-deficient diet, genius) or the supposed dim prospects of India's prosperity and so on paint a bleak picture, where does that leave Pakistan - a country that's worse off by every metric ?
Good luck
For the want of a tree the forest is being lost
There was but one man in Pakistan who had vision! Mohd. Ali Jinnah. He had this grand strategy of regaining the supremacy of the minority on majority. He was a genius who saw that the Hindus have been and can again be dominated if not totally subjugated by a smaller minority. It had been done in the history.
He thought he would get his way ( a Pakistan, full of forward looking, western oriented Muslim citizenry), unburdened with the poor Hindu masses with their own "eastern" ways and fatalistic world view. His Pakistan would be richer, nimbler, better educated, more secular ( yes, somehow he saw it in his image .. no dichotomy, politically Muslim but not pious one, not bound by Islamic theology). His Pakistan would then be like this little brother who separates from the joint family, leaving the older (India) one with the tasks of caring for ageing parents, marrying off sisters and so on.
His brash, bright young Pakistan would then have it both ways. Great relations with the older bro so he can still get all the perks of being from a big family, the weight in the neighbourhood, the collective bargaining power, and still would be able to pursue other "interests" like flirting with the west.
The plan was good. In Gandhi & Nehru he has this simpleton, goober of an older brother ( Patel was a shrewd fellar, but no one listened to him )
Alas, he was not that brilliant as a tactician. He misjudged the strength of his followers.
His followers were cut from a different cloth... they were not cunning like him, they had visions of grandeur... They took him at face value. They thought he was planning for an "Islamic" nation and that's what they turned Pakistan into.
Now Pakistan is at such a juncture that any beanie will not save it from itself. It needs Jinnah on steroids. It needs a quaid of quaids. Someone who will look inward.
This leader will start with education. He will put the military in cold storage. Dismantle the fauji foundation. He will then embark upon land reforms.
He will simultaneously start pushing family planning/population control. He will stop talking about past and start discussing future. he will stop invoking conquerors and marauders from faraway lands. Instead he will invoke Abdus Salam as a great Pakistani ( not an Ahamadi kafir). He will invoke Idhi and Hoobhoy and Faiz and Monto
The schools assignments will be of essays about cousins who became cardiopulmonary surgeons and not some martyr who bombed the streets of Mumbai.
He will have the courage and pragmatism to leave Kashmir to Kashmiris. He would know that the best policy Pakistan could follow on Kashmir would be "effective inaction". ( that is if he cares about Kashmir, like every Pakistani claims to do). Kashmiris then will work out their deal with the Indians.
Is Kayani the man to do any of this? I am inclined to say no but I have been wrong before.
but anyway even if Pakistanis bomb Indian we won't fear because we have bigger problems to fear
Food
leaking roof in a rain
Floods etc etc
far bigger problems then petty terrorism
So never let any Indian tell you that terrorism is no 1 problem in India
Don't forget the leak in the brain
That is what makes a baniya like you so lower class and vulgar.
Don't forget the leak in my anus
it is dripping from man juice of hindoo men.
what is this obsession about Baniya?
I see this term baniya ( trader) thrown around a lot...
What's up with people who have a "martial race" complex, calling their adversaries a "trader"?
Napoleon used to call England a nation of shopkeepers ( banyias) we know how that turned out in the end for him
Another sweet irony is the founder of Pakistan was an agnostic born to Jinnahbhai Poonja a Gujarati merchant ( baniya!!)
Furthermore he went on to become a lawyer which is probably a rung beneath baniya for the progenies of "martial" races!
To top it up he married a daughter of a textile merchant ( Parsi Baniya!)
so when we argue, lets try to make points.. there is a lot of common ground to discuss and disagreements to argue. Throwing insults and counter insults will only increase the sale of Tums, Digeine, Pepto Bismol ( and whatever antacid they market in Pakistan)
Also, please remember, the new wars will increasingly be fought with joysticks; controlling robot UMVs not swords .....
so a pimply kid sitting in a basement bunker thousands of miles from the battlefield may be the greatest warrior of all.
Pakistanis fondly call the Hindoo baniya
Its a term of enderment.
Get over it.
And I have many terms of endearment for hindoo men
as I like them to have their way with my fat, lice infested muslim pakistani body.
lets put baniya in proper context baniya= Jinnabhoy's {XXXX}Bhai
I think i have an idea. every time the term Baniya is thrown around, it should be contextualized.
so
Hindoo Baniya = Jinnah's Hindu Bhai
Jooo Baniya = Jinnha's Yahudi Bhai
Ameriki Baniya = Jinnah's Amriki Bhai.
I only wish the Jinnha's Hindu bhais had 1/10 of the smarts and cunning that the Quaid had. Nehru was so mediocre that Jinnah would not have had him has his law clerk, let alone his peer.
Yeah that's why he ran to England in middle
of freedom struggle
Clever indeed.
Thats why he married his only child to non-muslim?
Well known fac ts - Jinnah used to drink Alchohol (and still a PIOUS Muslim?) and married his only child to a Parsi.
FYI, Parsis are NON-Muslims who were persecuted in Iran by MUSLIMS and got asylum in Hindu Gujarat - where they of course survived and became successful.
IF Jinnah's Muslim bhais/Bhateejas (Nephews) had ANY smartness/Akkal or intelligence, he would not have to marry his only child to a Non-Muslim!
hahahahaha
Aryabhat he didn't marry her she married of her own free will
You have to give him credit for this. He though tried to persuade her to marry a good muslim boy but she also retorted by saying that he had married a parsi girl himself so why can't she ? Later when their relation soured whenever he would meet her he addressed her as Mrs. Wadia this Mrs. Wadia that.
So nice chap in family matters; didn't force her daughter.
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